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Re: AMS High-Speed Test
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Bilal said:
Thanks
Where does one start? The 0-300km/hr times are really disappointing for the Z06/M6 and SLR, I think the GT3 and Gallardo SL are about right.
I was disappointed about the Gallardo time as well (although, 0-200 was still OK, 0-300 the car broke in...)
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
I just edited my post to put "I think" with asterixes as I was quite disappointed with the Gallardo SL as well. If you remember, there were some videos posted a few weeks back of the Gallardo SL accelerating to top speed and that thing pulled...hard!
Overall, it does seem like all the cars, bar the RUF hit a brick wall after 200kph.
Overall, it does seem like all the cars, bar the RUF hit a brick wall after 200kph.
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Bilal said:
Thanks
Where does one start? The 0-300km/hr times are really disappointing for the Z06/M6 and SLR, I think the GT3 and Gallardo SL are about right.
I was disappointed about the Gallardo time as well (although, 0-200 was still OK, 0-300 the car broke in...)
Markus,
This high speed AMS test was done at Nardo. Last one was done on VW test track with very long real straight... That is the key difference...
Just compare this results with last year's results...
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KresoF1 said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Bilal said:
Thanks
Where does one start? The 0-300km/hr times are really disappointing for the Z06/M6 and SLR, I think the GT3 and Gallardo SL are about right.
I was disappointed about the Gallardo time as well (although, 0-200 was still OK, 0-300 the car broke in...)
Markus,
This high speed AMS test was done at Nardo. Last one was done on VW test track with very long real straight... That is the key difference...
Just compare this results with last year's results...
Youre theory is that accelearion times in Nardo are worse than those achieved on a long straight (like in ET), right
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How do they aciheve 300kmh 16 second late with the Z06.
Last test is the BS of the year.
How Gallardo SL be slower than Gt3 at top speeds(200-300kmh)... And how GT3 faster than Turbo on topspeed!!!!1
I have mailed AMS Turkish editor a a few month ago(2-2.5 months) about a test of supercars in Istanbul and also about 15.0 second time of Gallardo test is bullshit and also about AMS tests are often bullshit. Said him i will be ready with my Gallardo to any test.
He said ""ok we are planning to arrange a super test like this and we will be very pleased if you join with your Gallardo when she is ready""
Everything was fine , he was gentle and tried to answer my questions step by step about G vs M6 test in AMUS
But then
When my car arrived i again contacted him but noone replied to me for 2-3 weeks.
Last test is the BS of the year.
How Gallardo SL be slower than Gt3 at top speeds(200-300kmh)... And how GT3 faster than Turbo on topspeed!!!!1
I have mailed AMS Turkish editor a a few month ago(2-2.5 months) about a test of supercars in Istanbul and also about 15.0 second time of Gallardo test is bullshit and also about AMS tests are often bullshit. Said him i will be ready with my Gallardo to any test.
He said ""ok we are planning to arrange a super test like this and we will be very pleased if you join with your Gallardo when she is ready""
Everything was fine , he was gentle and tried to answer my questions step by step about G vs M6 test in AMUS
But then
When my car arrived i again contacted him but noone replied to me for 2-3 weeks.
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Bilal said:
Thanks
Where does one start? The 0-300km/hr times are really disappointing for the Z06/M6 and SLR, I think the GT3 and Gallardo SL are about right.
I was disappointed about the Gallardo time as well (although, 0-200 was still OK, 0-300 the car broke in...)
Markus,
This high speed AMS test was done at Nardo. Last one was done on VW test track with very long real straight... That is the key difference...
Just compare this results with last year's results...
Youre theory is that accelearion times in Nardo are worse than those achieved on a long straight (like in ET), right
No Marcus,
Problem is the AMS they publish everything about acc data if something goes wrong with a car(missshift, clutch problem etc etc)
But if something wrong BMW or etc(the brands they are close) they publish the older test datas(best ones)
They lost my confidience. Now i can uderstand why SportAUto supertests make much attention
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Bilal said:
Thanks
Where does one start? The 0-300km/hr times are really disappointing for the Z06/M6 and SLR, I think the GT3 and Gallardo SL are about right.
I was disappointed about the Gallardo time as well (although, 0-200 was still OK, 0-300 the car broke in...)
Markus,
This high speed AMS test was done at Nardo. Last one was done on VW test track with very long real straight... That is the key difference...
Just compare this results with last year's results...
Youre theory is that accelearion times in Nardo are worse than those achieved on a long straight (like in ET), right
YES. Nardo is pretty tricky... Weather is very important in Nardo since sometimes wind blows pretty strange is south Italy...
And look to this year's Z06 0-300km/h times... There is way too big difference IMHO, VW test track or Nardo... Yes, long REAL straight is key advantage(do not forget that Joanthan Palmer drove McLaren F1 to 388km/h or 392km/h on VW test track almost one decade ago) but, Nardo results that will be published next week in AMS are really strange IMHO...
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
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VGA18 said:
How do they aciheve 300kmh 16 second late with the Z06.
Last test is the BS of the year.
How Gallardo SL be slower than Gt3 at top speeds(200-300kmh)... And how GT3 faster than Turbo on topspeed!!!!1
I have mailed AMS Turkish editor a a few month ago(2-2.5 months) about a test of supercars in Istanbul and also about 15.0 second time of Gallardo test is bullshit and also about AMS tests are often bullshit. Said him i will be ready with my Gallardo to any test.
He said ""ok we are planning to arrange a super test like this and we will be very pleased if you join with your Gallardo when she is ready""
Everything was fine , he was gentle and tried to answer my questions step by step about G vs M6 test in AMUS
But then
When my car arrived i again contacted him but noone replied to me for 2-3 weeks.
Caghan,
You are wrong here 0-300km/h for 997TT is 40.7s and it is way faster then 997GT3 47.5s!
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Kreso,
Just imagine you are the test official of this test.
You get the results did you publish it??
Something wrong about this 16 second difference of Z06, Do u believe Gallardo SL is 9 second slower than 997 Turbo ????
Did you publish it as a car enthusiast. But AMS publishes it.
Ok here is the story of my talk on AMUS editor(turkish dep.). Remember the yellow Gallardo(06) vs M6 comparison test
Again M6 4.2 and 13.2 but Gallardo got 15.0 second 0-200 time. I asked him why Gallardo get that crap time he didnt told me about that Gallardo had clutch problem or break in period.He said maybe older test cars are faster.
However he said they had problem with that M6 so they had to publish the old datas.(4.2-13.2). This is bullshit. They are doing this again if other car has problem publish the crap times if M6 or any brand they are close have problem publish the old best datas from the archive.
Bullshit completely pure bullshit.
Ok my color is certain. I am a Lambo fan.I always like Lambo be the fastest. But there is reality z06 didnt deserve this so as G-SL or the older G or F430 with thweir old tests.
But i call this bullshit for Z06, for M6, for G-SL in this test
However BMW M6 results check all AMS tests of M6 0-100 always 4.2 and 0-200 always 13.2.
Just imagine you are the test official of this test.
You get the results did you publish it??
Something wrong about this 16 second difference of Z06, Do u believe Gallardo SL is 9 second slower than 997 Turbo ????
Did you publish it as a car enthusiast. But AMS publishes it.
Ok here is the story of my talk on AMUS editor(turkish dep.). Remember the yellow Gallardo(06) vs M6 comparison test
Again M6 4.2 and 13.2 but Gallardo got 15.0 second 0-200 time. I asked him why Gallardo get that crap time he didnt told me about that Gallardo had clutch problem or break in period.He said maybe older test cars are faster.
However he said they had problem with that M6 so they had to publish the old datas.(4.2-13.2). This is bullshit. They are doing this again if other car has problem publish the crap times if M6 or any brand they are close have problem publish the old best datas from the archive.
Bullshit completely pure bullshit.
Ok my color is certain. I am a Lambo fan.I always like Lambo be the fastest. But there is reality z06 didnt deserve this so as G-SL or the older G or F430 with thweir old tests.
But i call this bullshit for Z06, for M6, for G-SL in this test
However BMW M6 results check all AMS tests of M6 0-100 always 4.2 and 0-200 always 13.2.
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
Caghan,
I agree with most of your comments.
I will even add some oil in the fire...
OK. We all know AMS High speed test results for 997TT(manual, LSD, PCCB):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.3s
0-250km/h:20.7s
0-300km/h:40.7s
These resluts are very, very legit IMHO...
BUT, few moths after AMS publishs 997TT comparison between manual and TIP version with pretty different test results...
Manual
0-100km/h: 3.8s
0-200km/h:13.0s
TIP
0-100km/h: 3.6s
0-200km/h:12.2s
They even claim that TIP results were achieved with "Torque brake" start... BUT, I know for the fact that TIP version is actually slower in 0-300km/h...
Credibiltiy? Let me tell you just this-I am looking at all those car magazine sportscars tests(AMS, AB, AZ, EVO and Sport Auto) from recently with my eye brows rised little bit...
I agree with most of your comments.
I will even add some oil in the fire...
OK. We all know AMS High speed test results for 997TT(manual, LSD, PCCB):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.3s
0-250km/h:20.7s
0-300km/h:40.7s
These resluts are very, very legit IMHO...
BUT, few moths after AMS publishs 997TT comparison between manual and TIP version with pretty different test results...
Manual
0-100km/h: 3.8s
0-200km/h:13.0s
TIP
0-100km/h: 3.6s
0-200km/h:12.2s
They even claim that TIP results were achieved with "Torque brake" start... BUT, I know for the fact that TIP version is actually slower in 0-300km/h...
Credibiltiy? Let me tell you just this-I am looking at all those car magazine sportscars tests(AMS, AB, AZ, EVO and Sport Auto) from recently with my eye brows rised little bit...
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Kreso do u remember you said that Gallardo 2006 test done with AmuS and get 0-100: 3.9 and 0-200kmh: 12.6 but they didnt publish that.
Correct me if i am wrong about the numbers above.
Regarding the 99TT tests you are right and you have the expeirence about 997TT.
Despite HVS named as a Porsche fan, his tests are the most accurate one IMO and i always look for SportAuto magazine in the bookshops and airports
Correct me if i am wrong about the numbers above.
Regarding the 99TT tests you are right and you have the expeirence about 997TT.
Despite HVS named as a Porsche fan, his tests are the most accurate one IMO and i always look for SportAuto magazine in the bookshops and airports
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
Caghan,
All true... Problem with Gallardo is stupid LC programm on 520hp cars(both Markus and me explained it few months ago), manuals are in good drivers hands faster then e-gears...
BTW, my source was correct-new Gallardo(intro Geneva 2008) will have 550hp. Audi R10 will have 520hp...
All true... Problem with Gallardo is stupid LC programm on 520hp cars(both Markus and me explained it few months ago), manuals are in good drivers hands faster then e-gears...
BTW, my source was correct-new Gallardo(intro Geneva 2008) will have 550hp. Audi R10 will have 520hp...
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
These results are certainly inconsistent and hard to believe. Did they mention anything about "wind conditions"?
Besides headwinds, crosswinds can also negatively affect high speed runs.
As I've mentioned before, be careful when placing too much credence on Magazine tests. Unfortunately, too many variables can affect their test results. Many of these variables are kept close to their chests for the sake of their credibility - otherwise nobody would believe them anymore. And many of us already don't!!
Besides headwinds, crosswinds can also negatively affect high speed runs.
As I've mentioned before, be careful when placing too much credence on Magazine tests. Unfortunately, too many variables can affect their test results. Many of these variables are kept close to their chests for the sake of their credibility - otherwise nobody would believe them anymore. And many of us already don't!!
Re: AMS High-Speed Test
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mp said:
These results are certainly inconsistent and hard to believe. Did they mention anything about "wind conditions"?
Besides headwinds, crosswinds can also negatively affect high speed runs.
As I've mentioned before, be careful when placing too much credence on Magazine tests. Unfortunately, too many variables can affect their test results. Many of these variables are kept close to their chests for the sake of their credibility - otherwise nobody would believe them anymore. And many of us already don't!!
Exactly!!!!!
Doesn't take a Stanford CompSci/EE PhD (and certainly not the often smarter PhD dropouts
) to figure out that low-vol cars have inherently high mfg tolerance/variation re: hp/tq/numerous other perf specs, let alone numerous real-world driver/environmental variations.... 
In an era of increasingly compressed, pseudo-precise perf data, would argue qualitative impressions of any car's real-world accel/trac/chassis balance/precision/stability/active safety, etc are far more relevant than sloppy, almost imaginary mag data....and an important, difficult-to-model factor is how cars used on normal public roads decay in terms of tire/brake perf....and how inevitable micro (or macro)-deformations of these 19"/20" wheels impact perf/feel.....even when eval'd at 1K vs 5K vs 10K mis...
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I'm not really sure how a car can get to 200kph in 11.9 seconds takes another 46 seconds to reach 300kph. This makes no sense to me what-so-ever. I've reached 160mph in my car and the acceleration above 200kph was still quite strong. I know for a fact that the Z06 does not have the best gearing in 5th or 6th, but it's not that bad!
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