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    Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    Had tip for 4 weeks and just hit 900 miles. I generally drive her in manual (M) mode unless in bumper to bumper traffic (which is 2-4 days per week) and always hit the sport button after starting the car. For the first 800 miles or so the TT would not upshift (bounced at redline) while in M. Now, she does upshift in M mode from 2nd gear to third gear (not from first to second or at least not that I noticed). Of course this is all under very hard acceleration. Now I know in Drive mode that upshifting occurs, but I thought that in M mode that the Tip was unable to upshift without using the buttons. What am I missing ? Is there something wrong with my tip tranny or is it that even when in M mode the tip will upshift under very hard acceleration like the BMW steptronic tranny. If that is the case, is there anything that can be done by me so that the tranny will not upshift under extremely hard acceleration ? PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO GET A 6 SPEED - been there, done that (countless times).

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    Personally, almost never used Tip buttons on my 997TT....ergonomics of those silly buttons, rather than paddleshifters, was beyond me....

    Not clear even mfrs yet know if human, manual mode input re: gear selec in these Tips (or CL63/65 paddleshifters (Tip is made by MB w/P programming of software)) is compatible w/increasingly interfaced computers controlling/modulating throttle response/suspension/stability controls/BrakeAssist, etc etc....

    Apparently, F is unable to develop 599 w/archaic, non-F1 trannies that work acceptably w/that car's latest/greatest throttle/chassis/stability control/diff technologies....the few non-F1 599s produced apparently have been "problematic" ....as the archaic tranny perhaps destabilizes various other computerized interfaces that are actively assessing dynamic parameters and which work much better w/an equally advanced-tech, computerized tranny....

    Seems that P doesn't discuss relative NBR times of 997TT Tip in auto mode vs manual mode in hands of a pro driver....

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    From my experience, the manual mode of the Tip sucks big time on the 997 Turbo. I use full auto only and Sport Chrono is active all the time. In my opinion the best combo.
    I always got the feeling that in manual mode, the Tip shifts slowlier under certain conditions, this is why I don't use it anymore.

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    RC,

    I also leave the sport chrono button on the entire time I am driving. Have you had the upshifting issue when hitting redline in M mode ? My only problem with leaving the car in the the D mode is that, while it works great at holding the gear at full acceleration, at least here in NY it is a short lived experience (there is simply nowhere to go at full tilt if not on a track). So, whats a guy to do ? BTW, I really think, overall, the car is phenominal. I guess I wish there was more room to play with her here in the NY area.

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    Normally, I "manually" shift-up just prior to redline and it seems to shift immediately at redline, without the usual delay - no boost pressure loss.

    Haven't tried to "bounce" it off the rev limiter, by not shifting gears. I guess I simply respect the car ($$$) too much?

    Always use manual mode with Sport Chrono during spirited drives. In Auto mode, it doesn't downshift when I want it to, on regular roads - at least in my experience. Perhaps if you drive it at 9/10's it will work better, but this just isn't possible on our public roads. Look forward to seeing how Auto Mode will work on a track.

    Went out with a friend yesterday to West Point Hwy, Bear Mountain and across the bridge south on 9A - still have a smile on my face.

    Enjoy!

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    MP,

    Sounds like we are driving under very similar road conditions. The bouncing off of redline, much like the off the line lag, is inevitable with truly spirited driving (at least from my modest experience). But you have me pegged - I do lack respect for the tranny and maybe the car itself. Its my second TT and I am just not intimidated anymore by the power. In any event, I also drive primarily in M mode because in D the car lacks RPM control unless your at full tilt, which as you aptly pointed out isn't happening on our NY roads (at least downstate). I too try to shift just before redline (maybe 6000 rpm), but have noticed the car upshifting when I inadvertantly bounce (off of the redline) - its a real bummer ! I have no doubt that on a racetrack I would simply place the tranny in D and have no problem maintaining boost - maybe one of these days all of us can get together and rent a track out for a few hours. Something close to home would be cool. Limerock perhaps ?

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

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    tortesq1 said:
    MP,

    Sounds like we are driving under very similar road conditions. The bouncing off of redline, much like the off the line lag, is inevitable with truly spirited driving (at least from my modest experience). But you have me pegged - I do lack respect for the tranny and maybe the car itself. Its my second TT and I am just not intimidated anymore by the power. In any event, I also drive primarily in M mode because in D the car lacks RPM control unless your at full tilt, which as you aptly pointed out isn't happening on our NY roads (at least downstate). I too try to shift just before redline (maybe 6000 rpm), but have noticed the car upshifting when I inadvertantly bounce (off of the redline) - its a real bummer ! I have no doubt that on a racetrack I would simply place the tranny in D and have no problem maintaining boost - maybe one of these days all of us can get together and rent a track out for a few hours. Something close to home would be cool. Limerock perhaps ?



    Check-out the following PCA Driver Ed sessions at Lime Rock:
    1. Aug. 24-25
    2. Sept. 6
    3. Sept. 7-8
    4. Sept. 13
    5. Sept. 14-15

    I will definitely attend more than one. Send me a PM if you need more info.

    Cheers.

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    Forget lamerock, go bigtime....the Glen! I'm going two days in Sept, hitting Pocono long course on the 20th....come along.

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    TT Surgeon,

    Not a PCA member. Are these PCA events ? If not, are they open track days ? How would I get info. on these events ?

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

    mp,

    Not a member of PCA.

    Re: Tiptronic Upshifting in Manual Mode

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    tortesq1 said:
    mp,

    Not a member of PCA.



    You MUST join PCA to participate: www.pca.org

    Cheers.

     
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