Crown

Board: Other Sports Cars Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    04-Jul-2007 14:16:37

    temm
    Rennteam Master
    temm
    Loc: Oslo , Norway
    Posts: 4122, Gallery
    Registered on: 24-Jun-2003
    Reply to: Emperor

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Another first drive:
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_mercedes_benz_c63_amg

    The sports pack looks like a good investment:

    Quote:
    A Performance Package will include a mechanical limited-slip differential (offering 30 percent lockup under power, 10 percent or less on overrun), and compound steel brake rotors with aluminum centers (for vastly improved fade resistance and slightly lower weight). Springs and dampers are stiffened by 10 and 15 percent respectively, and the speed governor is raised to 174 mph. Europe's optional 19-inch wheels and tires won't be offered, as they can't survive urban-America's potholes.


    04-Jul-2007 14:19:44

    temm
    Rennteam Master
    temm
    Loc: Oslo , Norway
    Posts: 4122, Gallery
    Registered on: 24-Jun-2003
    Reply to: Emperor

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Quote:
    luwalira said:

    Bumping up the power won't be difficult at all. It's a 6.2L engine with a lot of potential. Brabus will go nuts when they get their hands on the car.



    My belief (until someone corrects me) is that the ECU is the only difference between the C63 and f. ex. the E63 engine. So if you re-programme, or switch, the ECU so that it thinks it's in a E63....

    04-Jul-2007 15:19:26

    WBH
    Expert
    WBH
    Loc: CA
    Posts: 1963, Gallery
    Registered on: 02-Jan-2004
    Reply to: easy_rider911

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Quote:
    easy_rider911 said:
    @ha: good point ha re: power/weight but at the end of the day, it's still a C Class! uggh!! I doubt if the quality of the fit/finish is as good as a CL63 AMG.



    C63 is perhaps $60K vs CL63 at $155K....vastly difft buyer bases/ability to profitably include greater safety/perf/comfort tech...though some CL63 buyers will buy C63s for their kids' nannies....

    That said, would value C63 more highly than currently ancient E63/CLS63, etc....sounds like new C-platform was developed w/latest/greatest computer-aided/virtual simulation engineering/testing, incl crash-testing, etc...the new 63 motor is outstanding new technology...importantly, the mass volumes of 63 motors help better spread R&D investment costs...and quickly learn real-world reliability/perf issues....

    Given the extensive tech content/innovation of new-gen S and CL, yet impeccable S/CL quality/reliability to-date, suspect C63 will replicate their success....

    Seems that more rapid pace of tech hardware/software advances and fiercely competitive car mkts are forcing mfrs to accelerate car development cycles; reduce/eliminate time gap/debugging time btwn EU and US intro; continually refresh/debug tech, even within a MY; shorten product life cycles before styling refresh; and reduce time btwn intro of mundane models and more profitable AMG/upscale variants.....

    Increasingly, tech-intensive cars will need to be engineered/built/marketed/leased, etc more akin to similarly rapidly obsolescent/disposable tech commodities as smartphones/Blackberry/flat-panel TVs/laptops, etc....

    04-Jul-2007 16:19:14

    0two9
    Pilot
    0two9
    Loc: Mass
    Posts: 376, Gallery
    Registered on: 25-Oct-2005
    Reply to: Shakal

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Has too many things going on, I don't like it. Has a killer engine and probably sounds like a thumping V8 but what is the real point of this car? It wont be sporty .. it will be fast in a straight line and that's it. I don't see the point of this car at all. It will cost as much as a E500 but doesn't look as good, has some newer technology but that's it.

    04-Jul-2007 16:41:42

    Emperor
    Veteran
    Emperor
    Loc: London & Gothenburg
    Posts: 1013, Gallery
    Registered on: 06-Jan-2006
    Reply to: 0two9

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Quote:
    0two9 said:
    Has too many things going on, I don't like it. Has a killer engine and probably sounds like a thumping V8 but what is the real point of this car?



    To offer high performance and fantastic handling without compromising too much on comfort. ESP can be turned off, it comes with LSD, has extremely responsive steering, great handling and an amazing engine.

    I see a clear purpose for this car and will without a doubt sell very well. This is not an over-powered luxury cruiser like the S65. MB has gone back to it's roots and the C63 is a bas ass AMG.

    04-Jul-2007 16:47:02

    KresoF1
    Rennteam VIP
    KresoF1
    Loc: Croatia , Croatia
    Posts: 7856, Gallery
    Registered on: 03-Dec-2005
    Reply to: Emperor

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    LSD is only available as a part of 030 Performance Package or as an Performance Studio item, it is NOT standard on C63.
    Further option is 280km/h limit.
    BTW, unofficial Ring time is not that impressive...

    04-Jul-2007 16:56:36

    Emperor
    Veteran
    Emperor
    Loc: London & Gothenburg
    Posts: 1013, Gallery
    Registered on: 06-Jan-2006
    Reply to: KresoF1

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Unofficial ring time already? What's the time? 8:25

    04-Jul-2007 17:30:35

    KresoF1
    Rennteam VIP
    KresoF1
    Loc: Croatia , Croatia
    Posts: 7856, Gallery
    Registered on: 03-Dec-2005
    Reply to: Emperor

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    8.10

    04-Jul-2007 18:12:17

    Emperor
    Veteran
    Emperor
    Loc: London & Gothenburg
    Posts: 1013, Gallery
    Registered on: 06-Jan-2006
    Reply to: KresoF1

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Wow 8.10 is a very good time if you ask me. Where did you get that figure from?

    04-Jul-2007 18:19:32

    KresoF1
    Rennteam VIP
    KresoF1
    Loc: Croatia , Croatia
    Posts: 7856, Gallery
    Registered on: 03-Dec-2005
    Reply to: Emperor

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    This is time with Corsa tires and 030 Performance Package.
    I got in via email from my friend who works at Motorpresse...

    04-Jul-2007 20:00:49

    VGA18
    Veteran
    VGA18
    Loc: Istanbul and Tampa
    Posts: 1029, Gallery
    Registered on: 11-Apr-2006
    Reply to: Shakal

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Yes Kreso you are right about the weight, that imo that is the start point of M3 's track advantage.
    But however their torq difference would be more than 150nm as a result of C63 advantage.

    04-Jul-2007 21:47:20

    Emperor
    Veteran
    Emperor
    Loc: London & Gothenburg
    Posts: 1013, Gallery
    Registered on: 06-Jan-2006
    Reply to: KresoF1

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    This is time with Corsa tires and 030 Performance Package.




    That explains the time.

    05-Jul-2007 12:51:25

    Just_me
    Co-Pilot
    Just_me
    Loc: EU
    Posts: 170, Gallery
    Registered on: 16-Nov-2004
    Reply to: Emperor

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Quote:
    luwalira said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    This is time with Corsa tires and 030 Performance Package.




    That explains the time.



    MB are no fools, sportauto will test C63 with corsa an 030 package. Going to eat the M3 alive on N-ring.

    05-Jul-2007 14:08:25

    SciFrog Offline
    Rennteam VIP
    SciFrog
    Loc: USA , United States
    Posts: 9870, Gallery
    Registered on: 15-Nov-2005
    Reply to: Just_me

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Well, not if the lap time is 8:10...

    05-Jul-2007 18:21:38

    Just_me
    Co-Pilot
    Just_me
    Loc: EU
    Posts: 170, Gallery
    Registered on: 16-Nov-2004
    Reply to: SciFrog

    Re: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

    Thinking about it 8.10 min isnt impressive with 457hk/600nm with semi-R-tires and extra perforamnce package. Then the RS4 impress me more with the time 8.09 min with "only" 420 hp.
     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 15/05/24 08:44
    art.italy     		812287 1808
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 07/04/24 11:48
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		452751 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 12/03/24 08:28
    DJM48     		272859 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 30/01/24 09:18
    RCA     		91944 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 15/03/24 13:23
    CGX car nut     		8588 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 01/02/24 19:01
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 890974 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 23/07/23 19:01
    Grant     		849015 3868
    Porsche GT4RS 21/04/24 11:50
    mcdelaug     		404502 1454
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 10/02/24 16:43
    nberry     		401119 1526
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 13/12/23 14:48
    CGX car nut     		388599 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 03/07/23 12:30
    Porker     		372909 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 12/05/24 18:23
    blueflame     		295297 669
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 19/10/23 19:06
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 269790 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 30/07/23 18:59
    mcdelaug     		245435 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 25/06/23 14:53
    Enmanuel     		239702 101
    Others Corvette C8 16/10/23 15:24
    Enmanuel     		223866 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 22/11/23 10:27
    mcdelaug     		174385 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 11/06/23 17:13
    CGX car nut     		146017 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 29/12/23 09:04
    RCA     		122713 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 19/12/23 05:38
    WhoopsyM     		114804 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 07/03/24 16:22
    WhoopsyM     		86959 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 23/02/24 22:03
    blueflame     		77241 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 03/03/24 19:22
    WhoopsyM     		56378 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 18/05/24 21:44
    Wonderbar     		28125 249
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 21/01/24 16:29
    GT-Boy     		22743 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 08/04/24 13:43
    Ferdie     		21538 140
    AMG G63 sold out 15/09/23 19:38
    Nico997     		17965 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 23/04/24 13:24
    RCA     		16022 225
    Porsche Porsche Mission X Hypercar 03/12/23 08:52
    996FourEss     		11874 63
    Porsche 911 S/T 10/10/23 08:53
    RCA     		11168 55
    115 items found, displaying 1 to 30.