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    Jul 2, 2007 3:02:01 AM

    deathnell
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    335i vs caymanS highway run .

    round 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KRY8ps5zo
    round 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn-3mqwGH2Q

    The heavy 335i pull away that easily.

    335i 305hp/1600kg
    Cayman S 295hp/1380Kg
    caymanS have the better HP to weight ratio.

    Jul 2, 2007 3:56:32 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I just bought a 335i for the wife. I'm so glad I didn't cave in and buy an underpowered Cayman S. Still waiting for Porsche to put a decent sized engine in their best car.

    Jul 2, 2007 5:39:13 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Keep waiting because as long as Porsche keeps suckering in new buyers for the 911, they're going to stay with their current strategy of under-powered entry-level cars.

    Jul 2, 2007 7:26:36 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    I just bought a 335i for the wife. I'm so glad I didn't cave in and buy an underpowered Cayman S.



    So am I. It would be a shame if the better driver's car of those two went to someone who didn't appreciate it.

    Jul 2, 2007 9:53:17 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Yep, the 335i and 335d are two main cars that would concern me, and why I'd like to see a power hike pretty soon.

    Jul 2, 2007 10:43:43 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I cannot see the point of these two videos.

    Jul 2, 2007 1:25:47 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    I cannot see the point of these two videos.



    I fully agree with you - these kind of boyracer vids are a joke
    I've yet to see a professional cartest showing the 335i pulling stronger than a Cayman S (min. advantage for the Cayman S from 0-200 km/h is 1,5 sec).

    Jul 2, 2007 2:21:39 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I agree the 335i is a gr8 car and fast but I disagree that it can pull away from the Cayman S like this, sorry someone does not know how to drive

    Jul 2, 2007 7:04:35 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Impossible. The Cayman S is the faster car in all respects. Stock that is. A chipped 335i may be a different thing. But so a modded Cayman S....

    Jul 3, 2007 2:09:38 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I'm firmly a Porsche fan, and have had my 335i for a few months. Though these vids are silly, I would say that stock to stock my car feels much quicker than what I remember of the Cayman S I drove. The Bimmer is seriously underated in regards to horsepower. That's very evident. The mid range torque is really impressive; from a dead stop just so so. Like the CS, the real irritation is lack of lsd. I'd love a Cayman RS with lsd and less weight, would want one regardless of the acceleration.

    Jul 3, 2007 3:18:07 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    I would say that stock to stock my car feels much quicker than what I remember of the Cayman S I drove.

    Like the CS, the real irritation is lack of lsd.


    Yes, I think a 335i could be quicker in a straight line (certainly with a re-flash). It is too bad about the LSD. Both companies unreasonably withold those from all but their highest performance models (GT and M)

    Jul 3, 2007 9:02:56 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Whoop-de-doo! Another amateur vid of some boys "testing" a 335i up against any current mainstream sports car. 335i's are nice but no replacement for my mid-engine car on the tight twisty roads that surround my home. If I wanted straight line pull I guess I would get a Vette or an older TT, but to me that's no fun.

    Jul 3, 2007 12:13:06 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    IMHO the 335 is an understated coupe. Looks normal but very good perf. Sure no Cayman twisty road wise, but a very good car if you have to have only one...

    Jul 3, 2007 3:13:03 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I live in the good ol' U S of A, where the roads are straight, not in some old country in Europe, where the roads are windy and narrow. To quote the great Isaac Asimov, "A straight road is the sign of an advanced civilization."

    Jul 3, 2007 3:27:19 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    I live in the good ol' U S of A, where the roads are straight, not in some old country in Europe, where the roads are windy and narrow. To quote the great Isaac Asimov, "A straight road is the sign of an advanced civilization."



    Then you should buy a Vette...

    Jul 3, 2007 6:33:01 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    I live in the good ol' U S of A, where the roads are straight, not in some old country in Europe, where the roads are windy and narrow. To quote the great Isaac Asimov, "A straight road is the sign of an advanced civilization."



    ..that's the stupidest thing to quote to a group of car enthusiasts that enjoy driving. There is no joy in straight roads. There's a reason that people seek the tail of the dragon, and windy sections along the 101.

    Jul 3, 2007 6:36:10 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    The 335i with sport package delivers a ride that that is firmer than the Cayman S with PASM and is no slouch when the road gets really twisty. It's actually a very good back road car, and is compromised for highway comfort. The only negatives are the lack of LSD and some jittery behavior over extremely bumpy surfaces. No doubt at a technical track the Cayman S would leave it for dead, though. My RSA usually has little problem with E46 M3s, but a well-driven Cayman S is hard to catch on such a track. With a rear diff and a decent suspension, it would be even so much better.

    Jul 3, 2007 7:07:12 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    335i is a nice quick sedan, but thats it. The Cayman is the sports car. I have aftermarket LSD on mine (TBD) and its a great addition, does wonders in norrow curves, but the Cayman needs no LSD to overcome a 335i in performance, not on the road nor in the track. Numerics and engine configuration makes the Cayman the superior car in all respects. Its like comparing the 335i with a base carrera, would that be a more fair comparison? Which one is quicker/better? I know the answer already.....but whatever, the 335i is an awesome car, my respects ! But its no Cayman S IMHO.

    Jul 3, 2007 8:16:46 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    I'm firmly a Porsche fan, and have had my 335i for a few months. Though these vids are silly, I would say that stock to stock my car feels much quicker than what I remember of the Cayman S I drove.


    I sold my 987S 3.5 months ago to get a 335i.
    I agree that the 335i feels much quicker, even though that might not be the case.

    Jul 3, 2007 9:00:15 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I have a friend at my place of work with a 335i...along with two others I have access to (company business). They are great cars and are typical BMW....fun to drive, but stock for stock they will not beat a CS in a straight line if good drivers in both.

    I've gone up against my friends and other 335s several times.....same result EVERY time, CS wins. Not by a huge margin, but a win EVERY time. Swapped drivers....same result.

    Every car mag review also puts the 335 a few ticks behind a CS.....

    Nice try, but it ain't going to happen if the 335 is stock.

    Jul 3, 2007 10:51:15 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    What impresses about the 335 is the mid-range acceleration. From a dead stop, the CS may be quicker. Contributing to the feeling of quickness in the 335i is the very flat torque curve, and the torque is immediately usable. If you keep the CS at a boil, it may be as quick or quicker in the mid-range.

    Jul 4, 2007 8:16:57 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Last week I had a blast in an Audi RS4 which would blow even the current M3 into the weeds, and I wouldn't exchange that for my Boxster let alone a 335i for a Cayman... But maybe I would if I only drove down straight roads

    Jul 4, 2007 2:01:54 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

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    But maybe I would if I only drove down straight roads

    Or snowy ones

    Jul 4, 2007 3:39:44 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Porsche seldom lose to those competitors who have the similar power-to-weight ratio ,neither on track nor on highway.

    335,with only 10hp more than the caymanS, is obviously much more heavier than the Cayman,but it faster in the hightway,and it also did 0-60 within 5sec.

    Jul 4, 2007 3:59:23 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    With the 335i, the tuners who claim 50-60hp gain with a reflash are have been done a favor by BMW. My guess is that peak horsepower and torque are already underestimated by 30hp and ft/lb, respectively. I love my car as a daily driver, but like many of you I'd prefer the CS for entertainment value. It needs to be better, though, before I will sell my RSA for one. I think I may rather have a really focused CS than a GT3.

    Jul 5, 2007 12:42:45 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    When I bought my 968 18 months ago, I test drove a 330 and didn't like it at all. It drives too soft, no feel, not involving and not that fun-to-drive (all relative to a 968). I would rather have a 968 as summer car and suffer for the other half of the year. I suspect that if you compare a 335 vs CaymanS with these parameters, but not just speed, you will come up with the same conclusion. An 135, which is suppose to be more of a driver's car, may be a better comparison. Can't wait to test drive it!!!

    Jul 5, 2007 8:13:34 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    It depends on how you use your car...
    I used to drive on small roads only to go to work, now I drive only on highways (70kms per day), hence the 987s replacement with a 335i, and I don't regret it !

    Jul 6, 2007 12:59:22 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Actually, my main complaint with the CS was the visceral feel of the car, soft suspension, and lack of rear diff. Forget straightline speed. My RSA has much, much more feel. In comparison to the CS, I rate my 335i pretty highly in terms of involvement. Nobody touches Porsche steering, true, but BMW is very good. The stock PASM "sport" mode, to me, was ridiculously refined. Other Porsche owners have expressed similar views on the CS -- wonderful platform, but as delivered it is too refined and is not exciting enough for the faithful. Besides, a mid-engined car with no rear seats has no business posing as practical transportation. The 335i is almost as involving and immensely more practical. At this point, only a GT3 does the trick; however, I fully expect Porsche to make the Cayman the car it deserves to be. It could be the absolute best car in the line up.

    Jul 6, 2007 11:54:40 AM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    I decided to find out for myself and went for a 335i test drive.
    The engine is brilliant. Torque everywhere, takes revs like an atmo. Fantastic! On a straight line I would not be surprised indeed that it blows 3.4L Porsche lineup...
    BUT....
    When you drive Porsches you get spoiled by the steering feel, the chassis, the directness of the connection with the road.
    I did not like at all the nose heavy/body rolling 335i. The engine felt too big for the car. No way this car can follow a Porsche up a mountain road...

    I had a 330ci (E46), I loved it and thought it was sporty etc but now I think 3 series coupes are more GT like, and even more with this 335i test...
    Would I buy one? Yes, if I had to have only one car (or maybe the upcoming M3)...but I would take all options to make the car feel more sporty...(including third party suspension...)
    My $0.02...

    Jul 6, 2007 8:43:53 PM

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    Re: 335i vs caymanS highway run .

    Interesting. In my experience, the 335i with sport suspension feels more direct than my E46 M3, which, to me, drove like a luxury hot-rod -- fast but numb and cumbersome. Neither one is close to the E36 M3 in terms of feel. I agree that the CS is more fun, but I still think the difference should be night and day with a 4 door sedan, and it isn't. The 996 GT3, now at a decent price, never looked so good...
     
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