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Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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MKSGR said:
I cannot see anything which would justify the term "Masterwerk" in case of the 997TTMaybe "Mittelmaß" would be better suited...
Isn't "Mittelmaß" the correct translation of "Masterwerk"?
What I find also disturbing are the words with which Saumra tries to blandish the relatively poor results. He's still a true Porsche-enthusiast in the end...
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
I cannot see anything which would justify the term "Masterwerk" in case of the 997TT
Isn't "Mittelmaß" the correct translation of "Masterwerk"?
What I find also disturbing are the words with which Saumra tries to blandish the relatively poor results. He's still a true Porsche-enthusiast in the end...
He tries his best - but still do his words reveil the true qualities of this car. Same as in the recent GT3 RS test. He had severe difficulties in hiding what he really thinks about the car
P.S.: Just checked the thesaurus - you are right regarding Mittelmaß and Masterwerk
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
I cannot see anything which would justify the term "Masterwerk" in case of the 997TT
Isn't "Mittelmaß" the correct translation of "Masterwerk"?
What I find also disturbing are the words with which Saumra tries to blandish the relatively poor results. He's still a true Porsche-enthusiast in the end...
He tries his best - but still do his words reveil the true qualities of this car. Same as in the recent GT3 RS test. He had severe difficulties in hiding what he really thinks about the car
P.S.: Just checked the thesaurus - you are right regarding Mittelmaß and Masterwerk
Does he really try to conceal it?
Anyway, it's good that we revealed the true meaning of Masterwerk.
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
I cannot see anything which would justify the term "Masterwerk" in case of the 997TT
Isn't "Mittelmaß" the correct translation of "Masterwerk"?
What I find also disturbing are the words with which Saumra tries to blandish the relatively poor results. He's still a true Porsche-enthusiast in the end...
He tries his best - but still do his words reveil the true qualities of this car. Same as in the recent GT3 RS test. He had severe difficulties in hiding what he really thinks about the car
P.S.: Just checked the thesaurus - you are right regarding Mittelmaß and Masterwerk
Does he really try to conceal it?
Anyway, it's good that we revealed the true meaning of Masterwerk.
Maybe we should produce a limited edition of "Italy Rules - World Champion not only in 2006" stickers
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
I cannot see anything which would justify the term "Masterwerk" in case of the 997TT
Isn't "Mittelmaß" the correct translation of "Masterwerk"?
What I find also disturbing are the words with which Saumra tries to blandish the relatively poor results. He's still a true Porsche-enthusiast in the end...
He tries his best - but still do his words reveil the true qualities of this car. Same as in the recent GT3 RS test. He had severe difficulties in hiding what he really thinks about the car
P.S.: Just checked the thesaurus - you are right regarding Mittelmaß and Masterwerk
Does he really try to conceal it?
Anyway, it's good that we revealed the true meaning of Masterwerk.
Maybe we should produce a limited edition of "Italy Rules - World Champion not only in 2006" stickers
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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eclou said:
A couple degrees of negative camber and a slight drop of 20mm would probably help those ring times tremedously - those are one of the main differences btw the GT3/RS and the TT
Yes,
And an ECU mod. and exhaust change like you have done could have made a big difference, as well. Thus a modded 997TT or a RUF would be more competitive.
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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Turbo Al said:Quote:
eclou said:
A couple degrees of negative camber and a slight drop of 20mm would probably help those ring times tremedously - those are one of the main differences btw the GT3/RS and the TT
Yes,
And an ECU mod. and exhaust change like you have done could have made a big difference, as well. Thus a modded 997TT or a RUF would be more competitive.
Well... AMS tested modded 997tt's few isssue's ago and end resluts were pretty bad. In fact most of this modded 997tt's were not any faster then good factory manual car.
Cars involved were by Gemballa(550hp), Speedart(530hp), Techart(580hp) and Wendland(530hp).
Difference between them and factory original were minor...
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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KresoF1 said:Quote:
Turbo Al said:Quote:
eclou said:
A couple degrees of negative camber and a slight drop of 20mm would probably help those ring times tremedously - those are one of the main differences btw the GT3/RS and the TT
Yes,
And an ECU mod. and exhaust change like you have done could have made a big difference, as well. Thus a modded 997TT or a RUF would be more competitive.
Well... AMS tested modded 997tt's few isssue's ago and end resluts were pretty bad. In fact most of this modded 997tt's were not any faster then good factory manual car.
Cars involved were by Gemballa(550hp), Speedart(530hp), Techart(580hp) and Wendland(530hp).
Difference between them and factory original were minor...
Yes, although I was of the impression these mods. were relatively conservative.
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
I cannot see anything which would justify the term "Masterwerk" in case of the 997TT
Isn't "Mittelmaß" the correct translation of "Masterwerk"?
What I find also disturbing are the words with which Saumra tries to blandish the relatively poor results. He's still a true Porsche-enthusiast in the end...
He tries his best - but still do his words reveil the true qualities of this car. Same as in the recent GT3 RS test. He had severe difficulties in hiding what he really thinks about the car
P.S.: Just checked the thesaurus - you are right regarding Mittelmaß and Masterwerk
I am curious. What did Von Saurma have to say about the TT and RS?
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
Here are some samples:
"That's how it should work in theorie. In practice, the systems (PTM, suspension) do not function quite as harmonically as suggested by the theoretical perspective of the Porsche engineers."
"... suspension setup exhibits tumbling movements, switches between slight over and understeer..."
"... faster on HHR in softer suspension mode than in "sport"..."
"... feels strange in fast corners ... very demanding..."
"That's how it should work in theorie. In practice, the systems (PTM, suspension) do not function quite as harmonically as suggested by the theoretical perspective of the Porsche engineers."
"... suspension setup exhibits tumbling movements, switches between slight over and understeer..."
"... faster on HHR in softer suspension mode than in "sport"..."
"... feels strange in fast corners ... very demanding..."
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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MKSGR said:
Here are some samples:
"That's how it should work in theorie. In practice, the systems (PTM, suspension) do not function quite as harmonically as suggested by the theoretical perspective of the Porsche engineers."
"... suspension setup exhibits tumbling movements, switches between slight over and understeer..."
"... faster on HHR in softer suspension mode than in "sport"..."
"... feels strange in fast corners ... very demanding..."
Markus,
Nice translation indeed!
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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KresoF1 said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Here are some samples:
"That's how it should work in theorie. In practice, the systems (PTM, suspension) do not function quite as harmonically as suggested by the theoretical perspective of the Porsche engineers."
"... suspension setup exhibits tumbling movements, switches between slight over and understeer..."
"... faster on HHR in softer suspension mode than in "sport"..."
"... feels strange in fast corners ... very demanding..."
Markus,
Nice translation indeed!
He was the ghost-writer...
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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Rossi said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Here are some samples:
"That's how it should work in theorie. In practice, the systems (PTM, suspension) do not function quite as harmonically as suggested by the theoretical perspective of the Porsche engineers."
"... suspension setup exhibits tumbling movements, switches between slight over and understeer..."
"... faster on HHR in softer suspension mode than in "sport"..."
"... feels strange in fast corners ... very demanding..."
Markus,
Nice translation indeed!
He was the ghost-writer...
My words would have been much stronger than his
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Uhh...
Probably something like:"Do not touch this"
Pretty much. Except that he would probably add some extra expletives
Even a 21" screen would not be big enough to fully capture what I would add
21" should be able to handle four letters.
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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Crash said:Quote:
Porsche-Jeck said:Quote:
andrea said:
disappointing data
If you consider that the 997S clocked 8:05 on normal tires whereas the TT has been equipped with sports tires (which may provide an advantage of 5 sec
You know, it stupefies me to think that the new Turbo may be SLOWER than the 996TT on the Nring on standard tyres
May? It is slower than the 996TT with standard street tires.
So, the 977tt is too focus on comfort to be track oriented. It's official Porsche has gone soft here.
They'll just have to try and redeem themselves will the GT2. God knows it won't make it on looks.
Re: 997 turbo Supertest in Sport Auto...
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svtrader1 said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
Porsche-Jeck said:Quote:
andrea said:
disappointing data
If you consider that the 997S clocked 8:05 on normal tires whereas the TT has been equipped with sports tires (which may provide an advantage of 5 sec
You know, it stupefies me to think that the new Turbo may be SLOWER than the 996TT on the Nring on standard tyres
May? It is slower than the 996TT with standard street tires.
So, the 977tt is too focus on comfort to be track oriented. It's official Porsche has gone soft here.
They'll just have to try and redeem themselves will the GT2. God knows it won't make it on looks.
You know, I think the GT2 will actually be as fast as we hope for it to be. It just bothers me that the ultimate all-weather supercar has gone soft.
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