We are less than 18 months from the introduction
Dealers in the US by next summer need to be taking orders for a car in the fall since they cannot sell the 430 as of Sept. 1, 2008. Very strange.
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nberry said:
of the 430 replacement but I have yet to see anything regarding this new model. Clearly it must be in the testing stage and at a minimum one would think at least a photo of a disguised model. Yet, absolutely nothing on this car.
Dealers in the US by next summer need to be taking orders for a car in the fall since they cannot sell the 430 as of Sept. 1, 2008. Very strange.
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Jerry said:
I wonder whether they will just suspend 430 sales here and introduce the new"Dino" in the US as the short term repacement?
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Rossi, in reading the application for the exemption prepared by Ferrari, you get the distinct impression that the replacement will be completely revised. Just like there was no resemblance between the 355 and 360, I suspect the replacement a major departure from the 430.
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Patriek said:
I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino". Also the current production lines of both the 8 and 12cyl will be replaced.
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Patriek said:
I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino". Also the current production lines of both the 8 and 12cyl will be replaced.
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VKSF said:
Timelines for car model cycles keep changing/are likely shrinking, as are those of any tech-intensive goods in a competitive mkt w/weak mfr pricing power, despite an explosion of global wealth creation (I suspect the guys at less tech-intensive Patek/Petrus laugh at F's inability to materially raise MSRP globally, despite dollar's decline over last 3yrs and the alleged unmet US demand for F's)....
Consider various factors that didn't exist/were much less signif 5 yrs ago, e.g., F's own financial strategy vs Fiat, poss IPO/spinoff and need to optimize oper profits; fixed produc vols vs expand produc vols; pace of mech/tech hardware/software advances; pace of advances at P/AMG; though F artificially lims US to 30%ish of global F produc, if US F mkt softens, doubt various emerging mkts will view F brand as strongly (clearly, EU demand for F is fairly tepid, best illustrating the "delicate" supply/demand game F plays ), etc etc....
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VKSF said:
Timelines for car model cycles keep changing/are likely shrinking, as are those of any tech-intensive goods in a competitive mkt w/weak mfr pricing power, despite an explosion of global wealth creation (I suspect the guys at less tech-intensive Patek/Petrus laugh at F's inability to materially raise MSRP globally, despite dollar's decline over last 3yrs and the alleged unmet US demand for F's)....
Consider various factors that didn't exist/were much less signif 5 yrs ago, e.g., F's own financial strategy vs Fiat, poss IPO/spinoff and need to optimize oper profits; fixed produc vols vs expand produc vols; pace of mech/tech hardware/software advances; pace of advances at P/AMG; though F artificially lims US to 30%ish of global F produc, if US F mkt softens, doubt various emerging mkts will view F brand as strongly (clearly, EU demand for F is fairly tepid, best illustrating the "delicate" supply/demand game F plays ), etc etc....
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palenimbus said:
Jesus... 200 grand?! Can anyone else confirm that?
That would make sense. The base model costs 150.000 EUR.
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VKSF said:
Timelines for car model cycles keep changing/are likely shrinking, as are those of any tech-intensive goods in a competitive mkt w/weak mfr pricing power, despite an explosion of global wealth creation (I suspect the guys at less tech-intensive Patek/Petrus laugh at F's inability to materially raise MSRP globally, despite dollar's decline over last 3yrs and the alleged unmet US demand for F's)....
Consider various factors that didn't exist/were much less signif 5 yrs ago, e.g., F's own financial strategy vs Fiat, poss IPO/spinoff and need to optimize oper profits; fixed produc vols vs expand produc vols; pace of mech/tech hardware/software advances; pace of advances at P/AMG; though F artificially lims US to 30%ish of global F produc, if US F mkt softens, doubt various emerging mkts will view F brand as strongly (clearly, EU demand for F is fairly tepid, best illustrating the "delicate" supply/demand game F plays ), etc etc....
And yet, the factory people confirm just the opposite :
"I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino"."
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Patriek said:
I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino". Also the current production lines of both the 8 and 12cyl will be replaced.
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palenimbus said:
Jesus... 200 grand?! Can anyone else confirm that?
That would make sense. The base model costs 150.000 EUR.
Does make no sense at all IMO. Don't know where this rumour comes from.
I'm expecting something around 185k. Take a look at the Superleggera, it costs 187k as a direct competitor.
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Patriek said:
I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino". Also the current production lines of both the 8 and 12cyl will be replaced.
Very true. Ferrari's V8 model line is updated every 5 years, with a completely new platform every 2 generations.
Same platform : F348/F355 (1989-1999).
New platform : F360 (1999-2004) and F430 (2004-2009).
2009 will see a completely new platform.
The new Dino will arrive before the F142..
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Patriek the factory tour guides know less than you or I regarding models and timing. I often wondered whether they were kept deliberating in the dark in order to protect the information.
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nberry said:
Patriek the factory tour guides know less than you or I regarding models and timing. I often wondered whether they were kept deliberating in the dark in order to protect the information.
If I were Ferrari, that would be the way for me to handle the problem.
Concerning the life span of the F430, nobody says it has to build for the full 5 years as in case of the F360. The F430 is a revised Modena, so if the produce it "only" for four years, that wouldn't be a surprise.
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Patriek said:
I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino". Also the current production lines of both the 8 and 12cyl will be replaced.
Very true. Ferrari's V8 model line is updated every 5 years, with a completely new platform every 2 generations.
Same platform : F348/F355 (1989-1999).
New platform : F360 (1999-2004) and F430 (2004-2009).
2009 will see a completely new platform.
The new Dino will arrive before the F142..
This directly out of Ferrari's temporary exemption request;
" In general, the life cycle for Ferrari vehicles sold to the public is 8-9 years, which is comprised of an initial production run of 4-5 years, followed by an aesthetic face lift on the same chassis (sometimes coupled with a new engine) for another four years of production.'
"Ferrari plans to produce F430 models until late 2008; at that point, the F430 will be replaced by a newly-designed 8-cylinder model."
"Finally .....although the statute contemplates that such exemptions will be issued for three years, Ferrari is seeking only a two-year exemption....
This petition was submitted in July 2005. It seems pretty clear to me that the 430 replacement will be introduced in the fall of 2008.
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Patriek said:
I was in Modena, at the factory last week, and everybody there told me replacement should be there in 2010, (press end 2009), and NOT 2009 or even 2008 as Nick here is telling us.
The production cycle of the 430 should be 5 years !
They are also building new production plants for the coming "Dino". Also the current production lines of both the 8 and 12cyl will be replaced.
Very true. Ferrari's V8 model line is updated every 5 years, with a completely new platform every 2 generations.
Same platform : F348/F355 (1989-1999).
New platform : F360 (1999-2004) and F430 (2004-2009).
2009 will see a completely new platform.
The new Dino will arrive before the F142..
This directly out of Ferrari's temporary exemption request;
" In general, the life cycle for Ferrari vehicles sold to the public is 8-9 years, which is comprised of an initial production run of 4-5 years, followed by an aesthetic face lift on the same chassis (sometimes coupled with a new engine) for another four years of production.'
"Ferrari plans to produce F430 models until late 2008; at that point, the F430 will be replaced by a newly-designed 8-cylinder model."
"Finally .....although the statute contemplates that such exemptions will be issued for three years, Ferrari is seeking only a two-year exemption....
This petition was submitted in July 2005. It seems pretty clear to me that the 430 replacement will be introduced in the fall of 2008.
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Shin wrote, "I could be wrong, but I could also be right, couldn't I..? "
Anything is possible but I don't believe it is plausible. The entire petition was discussing the 430 and ITS replacement. If they wanted to keep selling the 430 into 2009 all they had to do was ask for a three year exemption. Instead they only sought two years. Why would they do that?
I am confident the replacement is for the 430 and nothing else.