CloseMar 29, 2007 5:00:02 PM
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krC2S said:
yeah power is not everything and since porsche won't be able to increase power as aggressively as other makers due to rear engine layout size limitations... i hope they focus on weight reduction
weight is the enemy
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Grant said:
997 GT3 has almost identical HP, TQ, and redline as M3, but M3 needs 11% more displacement to do it.
You guys are funny. The M3 could have 1000hp and weigh 1 pound and people will still have an issue with it. My take is who cares.
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krC2S said:
yeah power is not everything and since porsche won't be able to increase power as aggressively as other makers due to rear engine layout size limitations... i hope they focus on weight reduction
weight is the enemy
Agreed! If they could lose 20% of the weight, then that would be MUCH better than increasing power 20%, since acceleration, handling and braking would be so much better.
When the mass of the car is reduced, then you can use lighter brakes, wheels, transmissions, driveshafts, etc. Everything benefits...
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amazon said:
the BHP war is getting ridiculous. People are so influence by bigger numbers that they don't even try to understand anything. it's like if we were all back to the stone age: "Me want More ... More Better ... argh ... me hungry !!!"
400 is not enough, but when we'll have 500 it won't be enough because by the time wwe get 500, some vette will have 700 bhp and it goes on and on...
I'm wondering how much bhp a bmw or a mersedes will have in 10 years from now. At the rate they are going, everybody here will be driving a veyron to get their kids to school.
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devo said:
The M3 may well weigh in under 3500 lbs.
Maybe without the engine
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devo said:
The M3 may well weigh in under 3500 lbs.
Maybe without the engine
LOL. You may be correct, but BMW have gone on record stating that light weight is the mission for this car. Some rumors (albiet rumors suggest it could weigh in between 3470-3525; with the engine, of course. Time will tell.
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kavaron said:
The new M3 will rock us hard. 414hp and rwd will make it faster on track than a 997 carrera S. The Audi RS4 is already faster on most tracks than the Porsche. Check the Ring laptimes for example
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
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john999s said:
We'd all welcome a bit more power but the enemy is weight as you say, frayed. Good times for more than a lap or two depend on how much weight they can get out and how long the tyres hold out in my experience.
Legislation, crash safety and cost mean that all modern cars weigh more and more so it'd be nice if Porsche would do a bit more to take out some more weight without us having to pay RS money!
The premium for Porsche is justified IMHO but the gap is narrower now and Porsche need to do more to open it again.
The new M3 looks like good VFM for what it is and no doubt it will be a good drive. But over the longer term of ownership I reckon a Porsche will prove more durable when driven hard regularly.
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devo said:The brakes, although not up to Porsche standards are not really that small, unless you consider 14.1 inches small;
Apr 4, 2007 1:28:27 PM
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