Mar 27, 2007 7:32:11 PM
Mar 28, 2007 12:35:53 AM
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easy_rider911 said:
Interesting, I checked the US Ordering Guide too after reading your post.
In my view, it's just loosely worded (probably because it's been written by PCNA rather than PAG itself).
AFAIK terracotta and cocoa are 'special order colours' not 'special quality' leathers like natural brown and dark grey are.
I think the prices also reflect this:
Standard full leather: US$3365
Natural brown or dark grey: US$4875
Special colour terracotta/cocoa: US$3675
Mar 28, 2007 2:23:22 AM
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easy_rider911 said:
AFAIK terracotta and cocoa are 'special order colours' not 'special quality' leathers like natural brown and dark grey are.
I think the prices also reflect this:
Standard full leather: US$3365
Natural brown or dark grey: US$4875
Special colour terracotta/cocoa: US$3675
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Le Chef said:
In the official order guide all four colors are denoted as "Natural". Can some one explain the $1000 difference between "Natural Terracotta" and "Natural Brown"?
MTIA
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Rossi said:Quote:
easy_rider911 said:
AFAIK terracotta and cocoa are 'special order colours' not 'special quality' leathers like natural brown and dark grey are.
I think the prices also reflect this:
Standard full leather: US$3365
Natural brown or dark grey: US$4875
Special colour terracotta/cocoa: US$3675
That's right, cocoa/terrarcotta are the special colours, natural brown (=light brown) and dark grey are so called natural leather.
Anybody can explain the difference in feel at "natural" leather versus "unnatural" leather?
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Le Chef said:
In the official order guide all four colors are denoted as "Natural". Can some one explain the $1000 difference between "Natural Terracotta" and "Natural Brown"?
MTIA
Mar 29, 2007 12:19:26 AM
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Dan L said:
I did some research on this some time back when I ordered my natural brown interior. The natural leathers are sourced from the top 5-10% of the leather out there available for interiors. That's top of the quality pile. They are aniline dyed (vat) and the noteworthy part is thay they are not 'embellished' in any way. The vast majority of the leathers are treated to a series of processes to make them look better than they are. They are frequently sanded, embossed, and even painted to get the look they're are shooting for. One of the easiest tests is the smell test. Go find a coupe with natural leather,--and open the door and stick your head in. Then do that with a cocoa. Big difference. Now do the tactile test. Feel the two leathers. The natural feels more like a high quality Coach purse or handbag. The other really does give away that its been doctored. Frankly, I have been surprised at the durability of the natural. I thought it might be more susceptible to damage. It's not.
Dan
Mar 29, 2007 3:27:48 PM
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Dan L said:
When you opt for a full leather interior the tiny step up to natural leather is not really that far.
Mar 29, 2007 3:32:49 PM
Mar 29, 2007 4:24:48 PM
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easy_rider911 said:
So when PCNA calls cocoa "natural leather cocoa", that's plain wrong and an example of lazy, inaccurate translation.
Mar 29, 2007 4:40:18 PM
Mar 29, 2007 5:05:34 PM
Mar 29, 2007 5:21:17 PM
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easy_rider911 said:
Today's youth in the UK can't even speak their own language properly let alone speak foreign languages. So many of them speak 'estuary English' or refer to the letter "H" as "haitch" rather than "aitch". It seems that the word "nothing" has been replaced by the word "nuthink".
Sorry for ranting - there's not a lot I rant about but language is one such topic very close to my heart. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned when it comes to these matters...
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The Groom said:
Cocoa and Terracotta have never been considered as "natural leather" by Porsche Germany. If you read "Natural Leather Cocoa" somewhere, it must have been a mistake by PCNA. If you heard it from your dealer, he is either clueless or untrustworthy.
By the way, I just checked out the 2007 Porsche 997 Ordering Guide and the 2007 997 Turbo Product Information Guide, and never once did they call Cocoa or Terracotta "Natural Leathers". The US customer brochure did not address this particular issue, whereas the German customer brochure called it "Special leather" just like the others.