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Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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MKSGR said:
Porsche, where is your competing product? Can't see any (997TT too slow - in the straight line as well as on the track)
Markus,
Gallardo SL will be very, very fast on both Klein Kurs Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Soon in Sport Auto..
But, answer to your question is in 997 turbo board-new GT2.
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
1497 kg
0-200 km/h 12.8
Ferrari F 430 F1 Coupé - 2006
Test in Auto Zeitung Jahrbuch 2007
Gewicht 1520 kg
0 - 200 km/h 12,2 s
Test in sport auto 01/2006
Gewicht 1493 kg
0 - 200 km/h 12,6 s
Test in ams 09/2005
Gewicht 1488 kg
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s
Waiting 430 LP
0-200 km/h 12.8
Ferrari F 430 F1 Coupé - 2006
Test in Auto Zeitung Jahrbuch 2007
Gewicht 1520 kg
0 - 200 km/h 12,2 s
Test in sport auto 01/2006
Gewicht 1493 kg
0 - 200 km/h 12,6 s
Test in ams 09/2005
Gewicht 1488 kg
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s
Waiting 430 LP
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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KresoF1 said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Porsche, where is your competing product? Can't see any (997TT too slow - in the straight line as well as on the track)
Markus,
Gallardo SL will be very, very fast on both Klein Kurs Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Soon in Sport Auto..
But, answer to your question is in 997 turbo board-new GT2.
Regarding the GT2:
- in 2008, not earlier...
- no PSM
- no AWD
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
...and 997 GT2 will be manual only. Yes, Gallardo SL is more usefull for all year driving. But, many people simply love turbo kick(or lag ) so, IMO new 997 GT2 will be awsome car for excellent driver(german-kenner!)... For average driver it could be as Nick said...potentially dangerous car.
) so, IMO new 997 GT2 will be awsome car for excellent driver(german-kenner!)... For average driver it could be as Nick said...potentially dangerous car.
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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KresoF1 said:
...and 997 GT2 will be manual only. Yes, Gallardo SL is more usefull for all year driving. But, many people simply love turbo kick(or lag
The problem with the GT2 is that Porsche has absolutely nothing to offer for those who think the 997TT lacks power but still want a safe car. Porsche has a very dangerous car with sufficient (not too much!) power - the GT2. And an underpowered (I am exagerating a bit here) but safe car (997TT).
This product strategy is really the worst I can imagine. Porsche ignores highest-margin customers who are willing to pay a premium for a state-of-the-art sports car. These customers need to buy their cars from other brands as Porsche cannot compete with the best any longer
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
Hmm... We will go almost off-topic here but, I agree with you to some degree...
Problem is IMHO not in Porsche, but in FACT that other brands are now at the same level of technical development as Porsche. 993 turbo were head and shoulders above competitors, 997 turbo is not. It is still the most complete and usefull sportscar in the market, but it is not better then it competitors IMHO. 997 GT2 will be a product for true individuals and really brave one I guess...
Still, in the end I would take 997 turbo(manual with optional LSD) as best possible merge between GT-likeness and true sportscar performance and feel.
Problem is IMHO not in Porsche, but in FACT that other brands are now at the same level of technical development as Porsche. 993 turbo were head and shoulders above competitors, 997 turbo is not. It is still the most complete and usefull sportscar in the market, but it is not better then it competitors IMHO. 997 GT2 will be a product for true individuals and really brave one I guess...
Still, in the end I would take 997 turbo(manual with optional LSD) as best possible merge between GT-likeness and true sportscar performance and feel.
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
...and 997 GT2 will be manual only. Yes, Gallardo SL is more usefull for all year driving. But, many people simply love turbo kick(or lag
The problem with the GT2 is that Porsche has absolutely nothing to offer for those who think the 997TT lacks power but still want a safe car. Porsche has a very dangerous car with sufficient (not too much!) power - the GT2. And an underpowered (I am exagerating a bit here) but safe car (997TT).
This product strategy is really the worst I can imagine. Porsche ignores highest-margin customers who are willing to pay a premium for a state-of-the-art sports car. These customers need to buy their cars from other brands as Porsche cannot compete with the best any longer
It's not that they can't, but it seems that for some unknown reason they won't
.
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
Kreso,
some time ago you posted this :
Lamborghini Gallardo AMS (1/2007) 520hp, manual
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-200km/h:12.6s
0-250km/h:21.1s
0-300km/h:40.6s
Max speed: 318km/h
So the Gallardo SL is actually not much faster than a standart MY07 manual, is it ? Of course, the Gallardo SL probably was all-new with just a few kilometers on it etc. But anyway...
some time ago you posted this :
Lamborghini Gallardo AMS (1/2007) 520hp, manual
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-200km/h:12.6s
0-250km/h:21.1s
0-300km/h:40.6s
Max speed: 318km/h
So the Gallardo SL is actually not much faster than a standart MY07 manual, is it ? Of course, the Gallardo SL probably was all-new with just a few kilometers on it etc. But anyway...
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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KresoF1 said:
...and 997 GT2 will be manual only. Yes, Gallardo SL is more usefull for all year driving. But, many people simply love turbo kick(or lag
So you think the new GT2 will be again a "widowmaker"?
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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mv said:
Kreso,
some time ago you posted this :
Lamborghini Gallardo AMS (1/2007) 520hp, manual
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-200km/h:12.6s
0-250km/h:21.1s
0-300km/h:40.6s
Max speed: 318km/h
So the Gallardo SL is actually not much faster than a standart MY07 manual, is it ? Of course, the Gallardo SL probably was all-new with just a few kilometers on it etc. But anyway...
With similar horsepower you can't expect too much improvement concerning pure acceleration times. The difference between the Super Leggera and the standard car (as well as between the forthcoming Light Pista and the F430 BTW) is when you drive the first on a track, where SL/LP belong. For daily road use the more comfortable standard version should be the better alternative.
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
the car looks awesome...allow me to say that it kind of reminds me of the legendary Diablo SV 
which is a good thing of course because I love that car 
in terms of straight line acceleration, I suppose it should now be able to compete the 997tt...but handling is a whole different thing...let's wait to see the lap time round the Ring...
which is a good thing of course because I love that car
in terms of straight line acceleration, I suppose it should now be able to compete the 997tt...but handling is a whole different thing...let's wait to see the lap time round the Ring...
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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Rossi said:Quote:
mv said:
Kreso,
some time ago you posted this :
Lamborghini Gallardo AMS (1/2007) 520hp, manual
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-200km/h:12.6s
0-250km/h:21.1s
0-300km/h:40.6s
Max speed: 318km/h
So the Gallardo SL is actually not much faster than a standart MY07 manual, is it ? Of course, the Gallardo SL probably was all-new with just a few kilometers on it etc. But anyway...
With similar horsepower you can't expect too much improvement concerning pure acceleration times. The difference between the Super Leggera and the standard car (as well as between the forthcoming Light Pista and the F430 BTW) is when you drive the first on a track, where SL/LP belong. For daily road use the more comfortable standard version should be the better alternative.
True. I just wanted to point out there isn't much of an improvement despite what for instance Crash said "Finally, performance numbers that go with the horsepower!."
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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Rossi said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
...and 997 GT2 will be manual only. Yes, Gallardo SL is more usefull for all year driving. But, many people simply love turbo kick(or lag
So you think the new GT2 will be again a "widowmaker"?
Potentially YES. If it will be without PSM then it is the car for "Kenner", and you know what I mean here...
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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MKSGR said:
Porsche, where is your competing product? Can't see any (997TT too slow - in the straight line as well as on the track)
If I'm not mistaken the 997tt was faster in a straight line, 0-200 in 12.2 or so. I would like to see if the G could match the 7:42 time on the ring.
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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KresoF1 said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
...and 997 GT2 will be manual only. Yes, Gallardo SL is more usefull for all year driving. But, many people simply love turbo kick(or lag
So you think the new GT2 will be again a "widowmaker"?
Potentially YES. If it will be without PSM then it is the car for "Kenner", and you know what I mean here...
Yes I know. But IMO presenting a car like the GT2 without PSM is outrageous (extremely rare cars that are produced invery low numbers aside).
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
Gallardo SE - 2005
Test in sport auto 11/2005
Gewicht 1640 kg
Nordschleife 7.56,65 min (driver Tom Kristensen)
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.12,2 min
Ferrari F430 F1 Coupé
Test in sport auto 01/2006
Gewicht 1493 kg
Nordschleife 7.55 min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.12,7 min
Test in sport auto 11/2005
Gewicht 1640 kg
Nordschleife 7.56,65 min (driver Tom Kristensen)
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.12,2 min
Ferrari F430 F1 Coupé
Test in sport auto 01/2006
Gewicht 1493 kg
Nordschleife 7.55 min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.12,7 min
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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Duncan said:
Gallardo SE - 2005
Test in sport auto 11/2005
Gewicht 1640 kg
Nordschleife 7.56,65 min (driver Tom Kristensen)
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.12,2 min
Ferrari F430 F1 Coupé
Test in sport auto 01/2006
Gewicht 1493 kg
Nordschleife 7.55 min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.12,7 min
Shame on Tom Kristiansen, Sport Auto did 1.11.8 and 7.52 with MY2004(500hp) Gallardo E-gear
Re: Gallardo SL in AMS test!
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trip said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Porsche, where is your competing product? Can't see any (997TT too slow - in the straight line as well as on the track)
If I'm not mistaken the 997tt was faster in a straight line, 0-200 in 12.2 or so. I would like to see if the G could match the 7:42 time on the ring.
trip, the Gallardo will beat the Turbo from 250 to 300 km/h - at least this one will.
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