Mar 6, 2007 10:56:26 PM
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Mar 6, 2007 10:56:26 PM
Mar 7, 2007 11:51:46 AM
Mar 7, 2007 12:48:50 PM
Mar 7, 2007 1:07:38 PM
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easy_rider911 said:
It seems like a good autobahn cruiser. But is that really what they wanted to build?
IMO the M cars now resemble AMG cars. Big, heavy sedans with powerful engines giving straight-line performance. Throw some corners and twisties in the way and they rapidly show their weight and handling disadvantages. A sedan is a sedan is a sedan.
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Fortunately the CS is so entertaining through the turns that you're happy to drive around the weak brakes and instead revel in one of the most throttle-adjustable chassis in the world.
I can't think of another 300bhp+ car that feels so benign when you tweak the tail wide and play out a slide than the M3 CS. There's a bit of understeer in steady-state cornering but the 255-section rear rubber is easily overwhelmed if you're of a mind, and from there it's simply a matter of balancing the opposite lock with power.
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thuggy said:
How can we criticize the performance numbers of a car that has not been tested, much less had manufacturer numbers released? The current 335i has surprised on the upside in performance, besting the e46 M3 in some tests, the new M3 will certainly out perform it.
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thuggy said:
How can we criticize the performance numbers of a car that has not been tested, much less had manufacturer numbers released? The current 335i has surprised on the upside in performance, besting the e46 M3 in some tests, the new M3 will certainly out perform it.
Well said.
Mar 7, 2007 2:50:02 PM
Mar 7, 2007 3:46:13 PM
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devo said:
You can catagorize the M3 any way you like; sports car, sports coupe, whatever...it doesn't matter. What does matter is that it will likely run as fast as the 911S in the corners and beat it in the straights (Delimiting the 155 mph top end is cheap and very easy). And, it will do that at 2/3rds of the cost, with a much, much better residual value. I LOVE Porsches, but someone has got to rattle the Empire's cage!
The styling is subjective, but so is the 911's. I believe that the vast majority believe that the concept M3 is very sexy. Look at the side vents. Notice how they are manufactured that way out of the fender material; not some plastic insert-ala 997 Turbo. Love that car too, but...
The car will likely weigh in at 3500 lbs. or less and pack at least 420 HP from a high revving V8. The feel of a highly tuned n/a V8 running to 8k will be scintillating.
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devo said:
You can catagorize the M3 any way you like; sports car, sports coupe, whatever...it doesn't matter. What does matter is that it will likely run as fast as the 911S in the corners and beat it in the straights (Delimiting the 155 mph top end is cheap and very easy). And, it will do that at 2/3rds of the cost, with a much, much better residual value. I LOVE Porsches, but someone has got to rattle the Empire's cage!
The styling is subjective, but so is the 911's. I believe that the vast majority believe that the concept M3 is very sexy. Look at the side vents. Notice how they are manufactured that way out of the fender material; not some plastic insert-ala 997 Turbo. Love that car too, but...
The car will likely weigh in at 3500 lbs. or less and pack at least 420 HP from a high revving V8. The feel of a highly tuned n/a V8 running to 8k will be scintillating.
100% agree.
Mar 7, 2007 6:02:56 PM
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devo said:
You can catagorize the M3 any way you like; sports car, sports coupe, whatever...it doesn't matter. What does matter is that it will likely run as fast as the 911S in the corners and beat it in the straights (Delimiting the 155 mph top end is cheap and very easy). And, it will do that at 2/3rds of the cost, with a much, much better residual value. I LOVE Porsches, but someone has got to rattle the Empire's cage!
The styling is subjective, but so is the 911's. I believe that the vast majority believe that the concept M3 is very sexy. Look at the side vents. Notice how they are manufactured that way out of the fender material; not some plastic insert-ala 997 Turbo. Love that car too, but...
The car will likely weigh in at 3500 lbs. or less and pack at least 420 HP from a high revving V8. The feel of a highly tuned n/a V8 running to 8k will be scintillating.
100% agree.
A good specced new M3 will cost more than 2/3 the price of a 997S.
Based on the above you'd probably expect the M6 to way outperform the 997S then right? Well it doesn't - infact it couldn't even beat a standard 997C2 in Top Gear's cross country test last year...
But alas lets wait for the real thing to be released then we'll see how good the new M3 really is - who knows, we'd might even get a pleasant surprise!
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devo said:
You can catagorize the M3 any way you like; sports car, sports coupe, whatever...it doesn't matter. What does matter is that it will likely run as fast as the 911S in the corners and beat it in the straights (Delimiting the 155 mph top end is cheap and very easy). And, it will do that at 2/3rds of the cost, with a much, much better residual value. I LOVE Porsches, but someone has got to rattle the Empire's cage!
The styling is subjective, but so is the 911's. I believe that the vast majority believe that the concept M3 is very sexy. Look at the side vents. Notice how they are manufactured that way out of the fender material; not some plastic insert-ala 997 Turbo. Love that car too, but...
The car will likely weigh in at 3500 lbs. or less and pack at least 420 HP from a high revving V8. The feel of a highly tuned n/a V8 running to 8k will be scintillating.
100% agree.
A good specced new M3 will cost more than 2/3 the price of a 997S.
Based on the above you'd probably expect the M6 to way outperform the 997S then right? Well it doesn't - infact it couldn't even beat a standard 997C2 in Top Gear's cross country test last year...
But alas lets wait for the real thing to be released then we'll see how good the new M3 really is - who knows, we'd might even get a pleasant surprise!
As Our other member posted, it was an S with the 20mm suspension, which is unavailable in the states. The M3 is clearly much more sport oriented than the M6. It will likely weigh 300+ lbs. less and be much more agile. I believe that we will see a much different outcome with the M3. Even if the M3 fails to beat the 997S with the suspension upgrade, on the track, it won't be far behind. And, in reality very few owners will track their cars. On the street, in the twisties it will be much closer. On the straights, no problem.
If one were to track their car a lot, then, of course, the 997S would be a better choice. As far as the price, very strong rumor indicates that a well specced M3 will cost about $65k-$67k v. $88k+ for the 997S. That is 3/4ths of the price; sorry. Most importantly, BMW won't charge you $500-$800 for a thicker steering wheel, etc...LOL
Mar 7, 2007 6:08:29 PM
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easy_rider911 said:
It seems like a good autobahn cruiser. But is that really what they wanted to build?
IMO the M cars now resemble AMG cars. Big, heavy sedans with powerful engines giving straight-line performance. Throw some corners and twisties in the way and they rapidly show their weight and handling disadvantages. A sedan is a sedan is a sedan.
Sport Auto supertest, Nurburgring:
996 GT3 RS: 7:47
997 GT3: 7:48
997 GT3 RS: 7:48
BMW M3 CSL: 7:50 (with Michelin Cup tires)
From EVOs test of the M3 CS:
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Fortunately the CS is so entertaining through the turns that you're happy to drive around the weak brakes and instead revel in one of the most throttle-adjustable chassis in the world.
I can't think of another 300bhp+ car that feels so benign when you tweak the tail wide and play out a slide than the M3 CS. There's a bit of understeer in steady-state cornering but the 255-section rear rubber is easily overwhelmed if you're of a mind, and from there it's simply a matter of balancing the opposite lock with power.
Oh, and the M3 Concept is a coupe is a coupe is a coupe
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Crash said:
The M3 will be fast, but I doubt it's going to really be that fast. Also, Porsche is bringing out its facelifted Carreras soon, which, according to several sources, will range in power from 360 bhp for the standard, to 400 bhp for the S version. Granted, the numbers seem high to me, but they would indicate that Porsche is thaking the threat, posed by other manufacturers, seriously.
Mar 7, 2007 6:19:43 PM
Mar 7, 2007 6:28:03 PM