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    Feb 15, 2007 8:39:19 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    ok, so is it a C2S or a C4S? according to the first post it is a C2S, thus how did you fit a widebody rear bumper on a C2S?



    Turbo, C4 and C4S all have _same_ track and width. Approx one inch wider than C2 C2S.



    Yes... thanks for pointing that out... that really answered my question

    Feb 15, 2007 9:13:54 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    It is a C2S the turbo bumper has to be modifed to fit a C2S hope this helps

    Feb 15, 2007 9:30:48 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Gornalad, if you don't mind, how much does a turbo wing/decklid conversion cost anyway?

    Feb 15, 2007 9:44:53 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    Sorry to be so blunt. I've been thinking though. There are no intercoolers on the 997/S so why would you want those vents on the sides?




    996 C4Ss had 'em too, right? No intercoolers there either. Not arguing ... just pointing out that Porsche could have added the vents to the 997 C4S and we all would have probably considered it in keeping with the previous model's aesthetic design. Just a thought...

    Feb 15, 2007 10:12:03 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Pounds1500 for wing secondhand + Pounds300 for paint I did mods to filter box myself not many secondhands ones out there

    Feb 15, 2007 11:03:21 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    Sorry to be so blunt. I've been thinking though. There are no intercoolers on the 997/S so why would you want those vents on the sides?




    996 C4Ss had 'em too, right? No intercoolers there either. Not arguing ... just pointing out that Porsche could have added the vents to the 997 C4S and we all would have probably considered it in keeping with the previous model's aesthetic design.



    In fact, the 996 C4S did have the wide butt, but didn't have the vents.

    Feb 15, 2007 11:18:09 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    Sorry to be so blunt. I've been thinking though. There are no intercoolers on the 997/S so why would you want those vents on the sides?




    996 C4Ss had 'em too, right? No intercoolers there either. Not arguing ... just pointing out that Porsche could have added the vents to the 997 C4S and we all would have probably considered it in keeping with the previous model's aesthetic design.



    In fact, the 996 C4S did have the wide butt, but didn't have the vents.



    In fact it did have the vents...

    This thread is soon qualifying as the "Stupid Thread of the Month". Are some people just writing any crap to get their message count up?

    Feb 15, 2007 11:19:31 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Pretty sure it did have the vents on the side...in fact I think it had everything the 996 turbo had except the rear wing....and the turbo's ofcourse.....

    Feb 15, 2007 11:21:04 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    It is a C2S the turbo bumper has to be modifed to fit a C2S hope this helps



    Thanks, that answered my question.

    How did you modify the bumper? I don't see an easy way of making it 44mm narrower to fit the C2S body.

    Feb 16, 2007 12:14:08 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    Pretty sure it did have the vents on the side...in fact I think it had everything the 996 turbo had except the rear wing....and the turbo's ofcourse.....



    No scoop in front of the rear wheels for the C4S!

    There goes my message count!!!

    Feb 16, 2007 12:18:10 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Given that Gornalad seems to have done some of the work himself and did not just shovel money I must say I am impressed. It may not be original but he had a vision and saw it through with courage and some sweat. I have to admire that and therefore I think it looks great!

    It would have been interesting without the Turbo tail though as I have always love the look of the old Turbo body (76-89) without the wing. They look attached to the road!

    Feb 16, 2007 12:45:59 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    No scoop in front of the rear wheels for the C4S!

    There goes my message count!!!


    To be pedantic, the scoop was there, but it was filled.

    Look up close at a 996 C4S and you'll notice that there is a flat surface in the middle of the curved "hips" of the car, where the scoop is supposed to be. This would look like an aftermarket job if it wasn't actually OEM.

    Feb 16, 2007 2:04:22 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Yes, as Nad's photo above shows the 996 C2S has vents on rear bumper.

    Anybody remember why they are there?

    Feb 16, 2007 2:11:07 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    No scoop in front of the rear wheels for the C4S!

    There goes my message count!!!


    To be pedantic, the scoop was there, but it was filled.

    Look up close at a 996 C4S and you'll notice that there is a flat surface in the middle of the curved "hips" of the car, where the scoop is supposed to be. This would look like an aftermarket job if it wasn't actually OEM.



    HUH? There're no scoops in front of rear tires for a 996 C4S. Must be a brain stall.

    Feb 16, 2007 2:40:33 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    So i understand that you can fitt the back exactly like a turbo! Do the exhaust tips fitt exactly in the holes of the bumper? Any modifications there?

    But what about the front? Does it fitt? How about the LED because they use a different tipe of electical impulse? Did you do this?

    Thanks

    P.S. It looks really great.

    Feb 16, 2007 6:47:58 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    From what I understand from the OPC...the standard dual exhaust tips fit without a problem...they are not sure about the PSE tips.....they are investigating and will let me know shortly....but the OEM bumper is a staight swap on a C4 and C4s and the cost here in the UK is about Pounds1500 incl parts and labour. I think the mod would differentiate the car nicely from the rest of the range (as it did for the 996 C4s)....its a shame they didnt do something like this as part of the original design.

    Feb 16, 2007 8:42:22 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    when the bumper is on it sticks pass the wheel arch by only 10mm each side need a bit of body shopwork there..

    Feb 16, 2007 8:46:13 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    To be pedantic, the scoop was there, but it was filled.

    Look up close at a 996 C4S and you'll notice that there is a flat surface in the middle of the curved "hips" of the car, where the scoop is supposed to be. This would look like an aftermarket job if it wasn't actually OEM.



    HUH? There're no scoops in front of rear tires for a 996 C4S. Must be a brain stall.


    Read again carefully (or maybe I was not clear enough). Of course the 996 C4S has no scoop in front of the rear wheels. BUT what I was saying is that it looks like Porsche took a Turbo body and covered the hole with a small, flat steel panel.
    Look at this area very carefully on the next 996 C4S you can find and you'll see what I mean. I can actually see it on the picture you posted, from the way the light is reflected by the car: the flat area stands out from the curved hips around it.

    Feb 16, 2007 9:01:35 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    heres one without the turbo tail & 20" techart wheels

    Feb 16, 2007 10:29:55 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Is it possible to get a shot of the whole side profile of the car....I am actually interested in seeing how it would balance with a regular stock front end?

    Feb 16, 2007 10:54:59 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Sorry the only picture I have to hand of the side is this one I have no full side shots without rear wing and when that was taken I had a GT3 front end on it so it probably wouldnt help you, i will get some better ones over the weekend. SORRY ITS DIRTY

    Feb 16, 2007 12:37:52 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Tell us about the front bumper! How did you fitt it? Any problems?

    Feb 16, 2007 1:04:58 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    I think it actually looks pretty nice. At first, I was thinking "why would anyone want to do that?", but you now have a pretty unique car. Moreover, I've always thought the least beautiful part of the TT was the huge air scoops in front of the rear wheels.
    Your car does not have them and looks like what a genuine C2S/C4S should have looked like.

    Feb 16, 2007 2:09:17 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    The bumper fits without to many problems, two problem areas LED indicators and Air Ducts. The air ducts have modified so as to make one good set out of the new and orginal.Hopfully someone will bring out a conversion set,the indicators isn't sorted yet I waiting for a turbo front loom from porsche so I can wire in the indicator control units(X2) currently i'm using the side lights of the LED units with a orange bulb as the indicator. When its sorted I will post then answers for anyone who is interested

    Feb 16, 2007 2:52:09 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    I am interested.If you can post the exact parts used to make the led work it would be great. I talked to my dealer and he doesn't know how to make the modifications. Thanks a lot.

    Feb 16, 2007 7:03:22 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    From what I understand from the OPC...the standard dual exhaust tips fit without a problem...they are not sure about the PSE tips.....they are investigating and will let me know shortly....but the OEM bumper is a staight swap on a C4 and C4s and the cost here in the UK is about Pounds1500 incl parts and labour. I think the mod would differentiate the car nicely from the rest of the range (as it did for the 996 C4s)....its a shame they didnt do something like this as part of the original design.



    A shame indeed -- though I wonder whether the PSE tips would look a little "odd" with the turbo bumper cover and its already odd exhaust cutouts. Sounds like a good photoshop opportunity for someone with better skills than me.

    Feb 16, 2007 8:23:35 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    I wonder whether the PSE tips would look a little "odd" with the turbo bumper cover and its already odd exhaust cutouts.



    See gornalad's photos at beginning of this thread. Not PSE but close enough to see they look pretty good. Might look less good with lighter car color; i.e more contrast so you'd see they don't _exactly_ match.

    Feb 16, 2007 9:25:20 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

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    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Sorry to be so blunt. I've been thinking though. There are no intercoolers on the 997/S so why would you want those vents on the sides?




    996 C4Ss had 'em too, right? No intercoolers there either. Not arguing ... just pointing out that Porsche could have added the vents to the 997 C4S and we all would have probably considered it in keeping with the previous model's aesthetic design.



    In fact, the 996 C4S did have the wide butt, but didn't have the vents.



    In fact it did have the vents...

    This thread is soon qualifying as the "Stupid Thread of the Month". Are some people just writing any crap to get their message count up?


    I've just realized that different people are referring to different intercooler vents.

    I - among others - thought that the reference was to the intercooler inlet vents on the steel body side panel. I now recognize that others had the intercooler outlet vents in the rear bumper in mind.

    As far as post count is concerned, I'm trying to get myself a life and keep my count down, but rennteam.com somehow seems to be addictive.

    Feb 16, 2007 10:38:50 PM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    This is a terrific modification with creativity - nice work!

    Feb 17, 2007 12:10:13 AM

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    Re: turbo bumper on a C4s

    Buy a Turbo . !!!
     
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