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Re: 996 powerkit 345 HP - performance data soon avail.
Test as printed in AM&S No. 19 of September 04, 2002
here are the main results:
Porsche 996 / 345 HP-kit versus Maserati 4200 / 390 HP:
0-100 km/h = 4.9 sec versus 5.3 sec
0-200 km/h = 17.8 sec versus 18.2 sec
1000 m = 23.9 sec versus 24.1 sec
max km/h = 290 versus 285
empty weight = 1447 kgs versus 1699 kgs
kg/HP = 4.19 versus 4.36
torque = 370Nm/4800 versus 451Nm/4500
engine = Boxer/6 versus V/8
base price = 84 kEUR versus 85 kEUR
points "drive" = 383 versus 392 (!)
-Maserati scores higher in comfort and drivetrain-
points "total" = 494 versus 485
-Porsche scores higher at cost and emission-
Thanks to cost and environmental issues ...obviously a typical criteria for sportscars in Germany... Porsche takes the overall victory by 9 points !
here are the main results:
Porsche 996 / 345 HP-kit versus Maserati 4200 / 390 HP:
0-100 km/h = 4.9 sec versus 5.3 sec
0-200 km/h = 17.8 sec versus 18.2 sec
1000 m = 23.9 sec versus 24.1 sec
max km/h = 290 versus 285
empty weight = 1447 kgs versus 1699 kgs
kg/HP = 4.19 versus 4.36
torque = 370Nm/4800 versus 451Nm/4500
engine = Boxer/6 versus V/8
base price = 84 kEUR versus 85 kEUR
points "drive" = 383 versus 392 (!)
-Maserati scores higher in comfort and drivetrain-
points "total" = 494 versus 485
-Porsche scores higher at cost and emission-
Thanks to cost and environmental issues ...obviously a typical criteria for sportscars in Germany... Porsche takes the overall victory by 9 points !
Thanks Charly...
...this is what I call community. 
I wanted to post the data myself but I didn't have the time.
THANKS AGAIN!
BTW: I'm a bit disappointed with the test result. Other "standard" 996s performed in other magazine test slightly better than the so called "Power Kit" car.
I still believe that the Power Kit is worth the money (simply because there isn't much tuning available for the normally aspirated 996s) but this recent test doesn't convince me at all. Sad.
I wanted to post the data myself but I didn't have the time.
THANKS AGAIN!
BTW: I'm a bit disappointed with the test result. Other "standard" 996s performed in other magazine test slightly better than the so called "Power Kit" car.
I still believe that the Power Kit is worth the money (simply because there isn't much tuning available for the normally aspirated 996s) but this recent test doesn't convince me at all. Sad.
Re: 996 powerkit 345 HP - performance data soon avail.
Thanks, I'll make sure to pick that one up as well. It's going to be interesting to see what the complaints are.
If it's price, not available with tip or lower mid-range torque that is all fine. But otherwise I may start regretting getting one (nah, not really
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If it's price, not available with tip or lower mid-range torque that is all fine. But otherwise I may start regretting getting one (nah, not really
)
Re: 996 powerkit 345 HP - performance data soon avail.
could not find in this issue (10/2002) a test 996-320HP versus 996-345HP, yet another comparison Maserati 4200 versus 996-320HP.
The 996-320HP did well:
(in brackets Maserati 4200 Cambiocorsa, 390HP, 1686 kg, 4.32 kg/HP)
0-100 = 4.8 sec (5.2 sec)
0-200 = 17.3 sec (16.8 sec !)
Vmax = 286 km/h (285 km/h)
The overall result was 48 points (versus 32 points), a clear victory for the 996-320HP ......and unexpectedly both sprint results 0-100 and 0-200 are superior to those of the 996-345HP measured by AM&S (see above) !
The 996-320HP did well:
(in brackets Maserati 4200 Cambiocorsa, 390HP, 1686 kg, 4.32 kg/HP)
0-100 = 4.8 sec (5.2 sec)
0-200 = 17.3 sec (16.8 sec !)
Vmax = 286 km/h (285 km/h)
The overall result was 48 points (versus 32 points), a clear victory for the 996-320HP ......and unexpectedly both sprint results 0-100 and 0-200 are superior to those of the 996-345HP measured by AM&S (see above) !
Sep 26, 2002 8:47:21 PM
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What do you want to know???
Its fast, very fast. I had mine at Lime Rock yesterday. There were no 02's out during my session, but I could demolish a 00 c2, had no problems staying dead even with a stock TT. The only 996 that could pull on me was a X50 TT that was there. The backstraight (50-100) we were dead even, the main straight (80-130) he could pill almost 2 car lengths on me. I am phenomenally impressed and belive it was well worth the extra money. I just got a new G-Tech comp today and will post some 0-60 and 0-100 times soon.
Sep 27, 2002 1:28:12 PM
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By the numbers, yes. But ...
By the numbers, you are right RC. The Turbo is faster than a GT3. On the highway one will pull away from the other pretty clearly.
But under real world conditions this is much less true. Take, for example, a tight mountain pass with short straights and hairpin bends. The GT3 will take the corners faster and get the better shot out of the corners. The power will be more instant on the GT3. A moment or two after exiting the corners the Turbo will come on boost. Only then is the Turbo faster. But by that point it is time to nail the brakes for the next corner. Again the GT3 is quicker.
The result is that the two are pretty evenly matched. The GT3 will make ground going into the corner, through the corner and the first moments out of the corner. Then the Turbo will reel her in on the last few hundred meters of the straight.
The two are pretty evenly matched. And that's why the times are identical at Nürburgring.
S.
But under real world conditions this is much less true. Take, for example, a tight mountain pass with short straights and hairpin bends. The GT3 will take the corners faster and get the better shot out of the corners. The power will be more instant on the GT3. A moment or two after exiting the corners the Turbo will come on boost. Only then is the Turbo faster. But by that point it is time to nail the brakes for the next corner. Again the GT3 is quicker.
The result is that the two are pretty evenly matched. The GT3 will make ground going into the corner, through the corner and the first moments out of the corner. Then the Turbo will reel her in on the last few hundred meters of the straight.
The two are pretty evenly matched. And that's why the times are identical at Nürburgring.
S.
Sep 28, 2002 11:14:57 PM
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Re: By the numbers, yes. But ...
That may be the case, on the track, I definitely could go through the corners faster and that may have benefitted me with some extra exit speed, less than 5 mph would probably not be percieveable and throw in faster to make power (no turbos to spool) and 1 less shift on the run and that may be the difference to even things up.
Re: By the numbers, yes. But ...
I guess you're talking about both cars driving with the same driver, right? 
But this will never happen.
Up til now, I didn't meet one GT3 driver to be able to keep up with me because they usually are afraid to wreck their car.
4WD and PSM make a difference.
The times are identical at the Nuerburgring? Didn't you read my post? The 996 Turbo is 7 seconds faster, same driver.
More interesting is actually a comparison on the Hockenheim Ring because the Nordschleife actually gives an advantage to high power cars.
The GT3 does the Kleiner Kurs in 1 min. 14,9 sec. and the 996 Turbo in 1 min. 14,6 sec.. Again, the 996 Turbo is faster. BTW: the Corvette Z06 has the same time as the GT3 on the Kleiner Kurs in Hockenheim, something which should actually show that the GT3 isn't the race car it supposed to be.
Regarding brake performance: the GT3 is lighter but unfortunately the brake cooling isn't that good. The 996 Turbo has a refined brake cooling system, huge air inlets front and an aerodynamical undercarriage cover which leads the air to the brakes. Results: the 996 Turbo shows a better braking performance on the long run than the GT3. And they share practically the same brake.
I don't know one single GT3 owner who didn't modify the brake and the suspension for serious track racing.
Stephen, you didn't believe me regarding the PCCB...maybe you want to trust me on the GT3.
But this will never happen. Up til now, I didn't meet one GT3 driver to be able to keep up with me because they usually are afraid to wreck their car.
4WD and PSM make a difference. The times are identical at the Nuerburgring? Didn't you read my post? The 996 Turbo is 7 seconds faster, same driver.
More interesting is actually a comparison on the Hockenheim Ring because the Nordschleife actually gives an advantage to high power cars.
The GT3 does the Kleiner Kurs in 1 min. 14,9 sec. and the 996 Turbo in 1 min. 14,6 sec.. Again, the 996 Turbo is faster.
BTW: the Corvette Z06 has the same time as the GT3 on the Kleiner Kurs in Hockenheim, something which should actually show that the GT3 isn't the race car it supposed to be.Regarding brake performance: the GT3 is lighter but unfortunately the brake cooling isn't that good. The 996 Turbo has a refined brake cooling system, huge air inlets front and an aerodynamical undercarriage cover which leads the air to the brakes. Results: the 996 Turbo shows a better braking performance on the long run than the GT3. And they share practically the same brake.
I don't know one single GT3 owner who didn't modify the brake and the suspension for serious track racing.
Stephen, you didn't believe me regarding the PCCB...maybe you want to trust me on the GT3.
Sep 29, 2002 12:59:39 AM
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Re: By the numbers, yes. But ...
I'm not a big believer in same driver times. No matter what, the driver will always have more experience in one type of car or the other. The only options is to take someone with minimal experience in either and that will not get you good results either. Best bet is just bottom line any driver times, but then you introduce different conditions, etc. This is probably an agruement best had over a few beers and one we will never solve. Us 2ed NA guys prefer out cars and you AWD TT guys prefer yours.
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Horst v. Saurma ist the editor-in-Chief of german SPORT AUTO and a respected race driver too.
I don't think that a 4WD car would really be to his liking.
The tests in SPORT AUTO are usually a very good comparison source, especially because these are real life tests and no factory tests.
BTW: my information about Walter Röhrl's time in the 996 Turbo on the Norschleife indicates 7 min. 52 seconds but I can be wrong because this is unofficial stuff I got.
BTW: the Lamborghini Murcielago did the Nordschleife in 7 min. 50 sec. ... this car weights almost half a ton more than the GT3. And it did the Kleiner Kurs in Hockenheim in 1 min. 12 sec., almost 3 seconds(!) faster than the GT3.
The GT3 is a car which lives from it's reputation but the street version isn't the same thing as the Cup and R/RS models.
These are heavily modified race cars.
I don't think that a 4WD car would really be to his liking.
The tests in SPORT AUTO are usually a very good comparison source, especially because these are real life tests and no factory tests.
BTW: my information about Walter Röhrl's time in the 996 Turbo on the Norschleife indicates 7 min. 52 seconds but I can be wrong because this is unofficial stuff I got.
BTW: the Lamborghini Murcielago did the Nordschleife in 7 min. 50 sec. ... this car weights almost half a ton more than the GT3.
And it did the Kleiner Kurs in Hockenheim in 1 min. 12 sec., almost 3 seconds(!) faster than the GT3.The GT3 is a car which lives from it's reputation but the street version isn't the same thing as the Cup and R/RS models.
These are heavily modified race cars.
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