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Norman
To speak for myself: I'm happy if I can drive my Turbo once a week for half an hour or maybe one hour.
If you own such a car, you also have to work to earn the money to be able to keep it.
And with a little kid, things are different too.
I guess the Cayenne Turbo would be the perfect car for me right now but I'd miss the Turbo's performance and handling.
If you own such a car, you also have to work to earn the money to be able to keep it.
And with a little kid, things are different too.
I guess the Cayenne Turbo would be the perfect car for me right now but I'd miss the Turbo's performance and handling.
Re: I did...
For the past Fall break, I took the car to California, S.F. Monteral, LA and back to Dallas 
This past summer, I drove to NY and Boston... 28K miles now. I am doing the gumball rally all by myself
But I can't drive a Porsche to school everyday
The X5 or the ML is my daily commute tool.
Btw, Do you how I can ship LHD car back to Hong Kong? Instead of using a T license plate? I wanted to keep all my car when I come back, setimental value...
This past summer, I drove to NY and Boston... 28K miles now. I am doing the gumball rally all by myself But I can't drive a Porsche to school everyday
The X5 or the ML is my daily commute tool. Btw, Do you how I can ship LHD car back to Hong Kong? Instead of using a T license plate? I wanted to keep all my car when I come back, setimental value...
LHD in Hongkong
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Do you how I can ship LHD car back to Hong Kong? Instead of using a T license plate? I wanted to keep all my car when I come back, setimental value...
Contact the Transport Department but last time I knew, LHD was prohibited in Hongkong no matter what the license plate. Even just for a short visit to drive through. Even if you keep your foreign plates on the car and aren't importing the car to Hongkong. The only way to move a LHD car in Hongkong is on the back of a trailer (and even then not sure what Customs would have to say about it).
But try writing to Transport and seeing what they have to say.
My wife's collegues are all ordering RHD cars here in Europe. They drive them for a little while and then ship them home. It is a lot cheaper than buying them in Hongkong and they also save quite a bit on taxes.
S.
Re: LHD in Hongkong
There are left-hand drive cars in Hong Kong, Ferrari F40,50 etc. usually when the owners wants a spin in their motors they will arrange to have T-plates put on by their dealers, thats the only way one gets to drive a left-hand drive car in Hong Kong.
Regarding import duties on vehicles, it is 60% irrespective of whether the car is new or not. Its actually 60% of total costs meaning shipping, shipping insurance etc. etc.
The Transport Department have gotten smarter these recent years and know the approximate 2nd hand values of vehicles. Nevertheless its still somewhat cheaper importing ones own car into Hong Kong, but lots of hassle thats all.
Gavin
Regarding import duties on vehicles, it is 60% irrespective of whether the car is new or not. Its actually 60% of total costs meaning shipping, shipping insurance etc. etc.
The Transport Department have gotten smarter these recent years and know the approximate 2nd hand values of vehicles. Nevertheless its still somewhat cheaper importing ones own car into Hong Kong, but lots of hassle thats all.
Gavin
Re: LHD in Hongkong
William - I guess another way to do is to get youself a diplomatic status i.e. the "cc" license plate which I am sure you have seen before
I must admit, driving in China is quite a thrill - hoping one day when the highway are more set up and ready, we can drive all the way from HK to places like Tibet or even Mogolia...
I must admit, driving in China is quite a thrill - hoping one day when the highway are more set up and ready, we can drive all the way from HK to places like Tibet or even Mogolia...
CC plates in Hongkong
William could never get diplomatic status in Hongkong as he is a Chinese citizen. He would need to renounce his citizenship first.
But whether he could find a friendly diplomat to register his car and "lend" it to him is another story. But I wouldn't want to have to try to get the car back from the diplomat later!!
CC plates would also mean no taxes.
One of the best ways to bring any car you want into the USA is this way. A diplomat's car does not have to comply with any of the local regulations. Of course, it must also be exported again after the posting ends.
S.
But whether he could find a friendly diplomat to register his car and "lend" it to him is another story. But I wouldn't want to have to try to get the car back from the diplomat later!!
CC plates would also mean no taxes.
One of the best ways to bring any car you want into the USA is this way. A diplomat's car does not have to comply with any of the local regulations. Of course, it must also be exported again after the posting ends.
S.
Re: LHD in Hongkong
Garvin,
I did not know that the dealer plate route was an option. This is interesting ....
I have heard of a few cases where someone was driving a car long-distance on some sort of p.r. exercise and going to or through Hongkong (London to Australia for example) and they were denied the right to bring the car into Hongkong because the car was LHD. Usually they end up towing it from the Lowu to the port.
These are people with foreign plates who are obviously not attempting to register the car in Hongkong and are only driving through as tourists.
Personally, I think it is rediculous not to allow LHD cars on the roads. There are no safety implications. Something should be done about it.
S.
I did not know that the dealer plate route was an option. This is interesting ....
I have heard of a few cases where someone was driving a car long-distance on some sort of p.r. exercise and going to or through Hongkong (London to Australia for example) and they were denied the right to bring the car into Hongkong because the car was LHD. Usually they end up towing it from the Lowu to the port.
These are people with foreign plates who are obviously not attempting to register the car in Hongkong and are only driving through as tourists.
Personally, I think it is rediculous not to allow LHD cars on the roads. There are no safety implications. Something should be done about it.
S.
What do you expect?
You mean "old man" ...
The unfortunate reality is that by the time we die we have learned from all of our mistakes however it is now too late.
Anyway, what do you expect from a lawyer with an interest in cars, planes, etc. Lawyers are always looking for a way around the rules.
S.
The unfortunate reality is that by the time we die we have learned from all of our mistakes however it is now too late.
Anyway, what do you expect from a lawyer with an interest in cars, planes, etc. Lawyers are always looking for a way around the rules.
S.
Re: LHD in Hongkong
Dealer plates are an option but it is just so bothersome as one would have to arrange with the dealer to just have a drive of one's car.
Last year two Mercedes CLK-GTR were imported into Hong Kong, asking price of approx. 1.9million US$. One was sold and the dealer plate package was part of the equation.
In Hong Kong there are always ways to get through the red tape.
Last year two Mercedes CLK-GTR were imported into Hong Kong, asking price of approx. 1.9million US$. One was sold and the dealer plate package was part of the equation.
In Hong Kong there are always ways to get through the red tape.
Re: How much is the T-plate per day
I heard is $200/day... I think it will be silly to import a 996 Turbo and a X5 4.6. If it was a Zonda or a MclarenF1, then maybe it make some sense. But mass production car?? People will laugh at me
One of my friend have a X5 with M5's engine, F40 F50..etc is LHD.. they only use T plate for that matter. But they almost never drive their car... seem like a waste to me.
What if I want to ship the car to China?? Shanghai and leave it in a garage?
One of my friend have a X5 with M5's engine, F40 F50..etc is LHD.. they only use T plate for that matter. But they almost never drive their car... seem like a waste to me.
What if I want to ship the car to China?? Shanghai and leave it in a garage?
Re: You have to understand.. Stephen
I am not a pilot like you Although I am facinated with the R.C. aerobatic plane when I was young. I can't fly to europe for a day in weekend just to drive my car. I want to keep the car because it is among the first few cars in my life and maybe show my friends when I was old like you " Hey guys, I actually did owned a 'sport car' in my life. "
Another thing is that most likely my sport car's life will end when I move back to hk. People gosip like nowhere else when hong kong is so small.. I have to find to most subtle, high performance car i can find over there.
Although I am facinated with the R.C. aerobatic plane when I was young. I can't fly to europe for a day in weekend just to drive my car. I want to keep the car because it is among the first few cars in my life and maybe show my friends when I was old like you " Hey guys, I actually did owned a 'sport car' in my life. " Another thing is that most likely my sport car's life will end when I move back to hk.
People gosip like nowhere else when hong kong is so small.. I have to find to most subtle, high performance car i can find over there. Re: Planes...
I love planes too, Remote control type tho
My room in hong kong filled with Cesnna, bi-plane, aerobatic, planes.. I spend a fortune on those toys when I was a kid. saved up every penny to buy woods and engine.
Anyway, I took one flying lesson in New Zealand 4 yrs ago. It was a blast...
My room in hong kong filled with Cesnna, bi-plane, aerobatic, planes.. I spend a fortune on those toys when I was a kid. saved up every penny to buy woods and engine.
Anyway, I took one flying lesson in New Zealand 4 yrs ago. It was a blast...
Keeping in China
Importing a car to China can be done. You'll probably need to make some friends. Taxes are also very high there. But it probably makes more sense to keep a LHD car in Shenzen than a RHD car in Hongkong.
As for "T" plates ... well you could always start your own dealership. Might even be fun!
S.
As for "T" plates ... well you could always start your own dealership. Might even be fun!
S.
Re: You have to understand..
Well William, you could always NOT move back to Hongkong...
Yes, Hongkong is a pretty small community with many small-minded people. But of course it does have other things going for it. You are going to tell me that you never have a midnight craving for noodle soup?
London, Frankfurt, Paris, Milan -- all 10 or 11 hour non-stop flights. Are you sure you couldn't keep a car in Europe and fly out for a long weekend? Who would notice? Who would even know??
As for flying, New Zealand is a great place for it. It is a great place for just about everything -- including driving with some of the nicest roads on the south island that you'll find on this earth. When I die I hope I die in New Zealand.
But if you are serious about learning to fly then do it while you are in the USA.
S.
Yes, Hongkong is a pretty small community with many small-minded people. But of course it does have other things going for it. You are going to tell me that you never have a midnight craving for noodle soup?
London, Frankfurt, Paris, Milan -- all 10 or 11 hour non-stop flights. Are you sure you couldn't keep a car in Europe and fly out for a long weekend? Who would notice? Who would even know??
As for flying, New Zealand is a great place for it. It is a great place for just about everything -- including driving with some of the nicest roads on the south island that you'll find on this earth. When I die I hope I die in New Zealand.
But if you are serious about learning to fly then do it while you are in the USA.
S.
Re: That can be done...
FixedWing - your suggestion about the small minded people, yep, you are right and there are pplently of them over here but that's not to say there aren't any nice people here
HK has always been a very competitive place for business, is even more so in a down market like what we are currently experiencing. I guess is common in the rest of the world when you have a group of people trying to get ahead in a fast way.
As for those super luxury LHD cars here in HK, I really have no idea what those own them are thinking
If I ever get to have that much money - I would probably spend most on charity 
I think we all should
HK has always been a very competitive place for business, is even more so in a down market like what we are currently experiencing. I guess is common in the rest of the world when you have a group of people trying to get ahead in a fast way.
As for those super luxury LHD cars here in HK, I really have no idea what those own them are thinking
If I ever get to have that much money - I would probably spend most on charity I think we all should
People will be people ...
Norman,
Didn't mean to imply that all people in Hongkong are small-minded. In fact, I was just responding to something that Williamhad said earlier. Of course there are pleanty of small minded people in Hongkong -- but Hongkong is no different to anywhere else in that respect.
I'm not in a great hurry to go back to Hongkong but this has more to do with the political situation there and the fact that I have already spent so many years in Hongkong. But mostly, it is because I am enjoying Europe so much now.
S.
Didn't mean to imply that all people in Hongkong are small-minded. In fact, I was just responding to something that Williamhad said earlier. Of course there are pleanty of small minded people in Hongkong -- but Hongkong is no different to anywhere else in that respect.
I'm not in a great hurry to go back to Hongkong but this has more to do with the political situation there and the fact that I have already spent so many years in Hongkong. But mostly, it is because I am enjoying Europe so much now.
S.
Small minded people?
Come to Germany, you find plenty of them.
Before somebody from tries to bash me for saying that: I AM German.
I guess every country and every city has small minded people. Otherwise everybody would be perfect and this would be pretty boring, right?!
I love HK, have been there only once (exactly in the year of going back to China) but I actually can't say much about the people there. I know that some guys tried to trick me in Kowloon when I wanted to buy a video camera and that I almost ended up with a false Rolex for 50 bucks but I can't really say anything about the people there. My wife wants to visit HK again and this time we might stay a bit longer to learn a few things about the people there too.
Why should I lie? Our favorite vacation spot is Florida for many years now and mainly because we feel like being home.
Don't know much about New Zealand but I guess I'd like to live (not to die ) in Florida in a nice ocean view condo with a nice Cab in my garage. BTW: what are the fines for speeding in Florida right now? 
Before somebody from tries to bash me for saying that: I AM German.
I guess every country and every city has small minded people. Otherwise everybody would be perfect and this would be pretty boring, right?!
I love HK, have been there only once (exactly in the year of going back to China) but I actually can't say much about the people there. I know that some guys tried to trick me in Kowloon when I wanted to buy a video camera and that I almost ended up with a false Rolex for 50 bucks
but I can't really say anything about the people there. My wife wants to visit HK again and this time we might stay a bit longer to learn a few things about the people there too.Why should I lie? Our favorite vacation spot is Florida for many years now and mainly because we feel like being home.
Don't know much about New Zealand but I guess I'd like to live (not to die
) in Florida in a nice ocean view condo with a nice Cab in my garage. BTW: what are the fines for speeding in Florida right now?
Life and death
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... but I guess I'd like to live (not to die ) in Florida in a nice ocean view condo with a nice Cab in my garage. BTW: what are the fines for speeding in Florida right now?
RC, the way it works is that you generally get to die where you live.
Speeding fines in Florida? They don't have any. They just pull you out of the car, make you kneel and shoot you on the spot.
S.
Stupid german tourist
On our last trip to Florida (march, this year), highway patrol stopped me going 92 mph in a 65 mph zone. In a Lincoln Navigator with a kid in the rear. This guy was so mad at me, he kept me for over 10 or 15 minutes telling me how dangerous speeding is and that he has two kids, bla bla bla.
I have to mention that by that time, the highway (Florida's Turnpike) was pretty empty and the street was going straight for about a mile or so. I told him that at home, I drive 150 mph in my SUV on a daily basis and that I'm used to it. He was not far away from shooting me...telling by his face.
Then we both relaxed, he started to play with my little daugther, we talked about little boy and girls, he told us about his wife and I ended up with...NO ticket but a warning to keep it slow because of other drivers.
This highway patrol man looked very scary at first sight (like a Marine on steroids ) but first looks always prove to be wrong. He was actually very nice but unfortunately he refused my wish to take a picture of my daughter in his patrol car. Would have been a great memory.
Don't get me wrong, guys (this is espcially for my friends in the US): I'm usually not speeding in the US. But sometimes, when the road goes straight ahead for a few miles and you have three lanes on each side and the road is completely empty, I get pretty tired to drive with constant 65 or 75 mph.
My concentration slows down, it is incredible. In Germany, I drive from Munich to Frankfurt (almost same length as Ft. Lauderdale to Orlando) in about three hours at maximum possible speeds, sometimes exceeding easily 180 mph and more. After a 3 hour drive, I feel a bit tired but still pretty fresh. In the US driving permanently at 65 mph, I almost fall asleep after 50 miles. I'm not sure that low speeds are really safe, at least not always and not on a straight road with several lanes for each direction. I'm sure this has been discussed over and over again in the US but I just wanted to tell you my personal view of the whole thing. No offense taken.
In a Lincoln Navigator with a kid in the rear. This guy was so mad at me, he kept me for over 10 or 15 minutes telling me how dangerous speeding is and that he has two kids, bla bla bla.I have to mention that by that time, the highway (Florida's Turnpike) was pretty empty and the street was going straight for about a mile or so. I told him that at home, I drive 150 mph in my SUV on a daily basis and that I'm used to it. He was not far away from shooting me...telling by his face.
Then we both relaxed, he started to play with my little daugther, we talked about little boy and girls, he told us about his wife and I ended up with...NO ticket but a warning to keep it slow because of other drivers.
This highway patrol man looked very scary at first sight (like a Marine on steroids
) but first looks always prove to be wrong. He was actually very nice but unfortunately he refused my wish to take a picture of my daughter in his patrol car. Would have been a great memory. Don't get me wrong, guys (this is espcially for my friends in the US): I'm usually not speeding in the US. But sometimes, when the road goes straight ahead for a few miles and you have three lanes on each side and the road is completely empty, I get pretty tired to drive with constant 65 or 75 mph.
My concentration slows down, it is incredible. In Germany, I drive from Munich to Frankfurt (almost same length as Ft. Lauderdale to Orlando) in about three hours at maximum possible speeds, sometimes exceeding easily 180 mph and more. After a 3 hour drive, I feel a bit tired but still pretty fresh. In the US driving permanently at 65 mph, I almost fall asleep after 50 miles. I'm not sure that low speeds are really safe, at least not always and not on a straight road with several lanes for each direction. I'm sure this has been discussed over and over again in the US but I just wanted to tell you my personal view of the whole thing. No offense taken.
Re: move back to hk
There are alway plus and minus where you live, its very true one can not be stuck in one places for too long. If I have to choose a place to be my home base, its definetly going to be hk. there are other reasons like family business obligation...etc. Its great to live elsewhere for while. I actually wish to live in Europe before I settle back, in away I envy you for having such freedom of where to reside I guess thats an advantage of being a pilot.
As for small minded people, they are everywhere You just have to choose the right crowd to hang out with..
I guess thats an advantage of being a pilot.As for small minded people, they are everywhere
You just have to choose the right crowd to hang out with..
Speedy german tourist(s)
RC,
On the speed issue, you are preaching to the converted. Those who don't agree aren't reading your forum (I hope!)
The real reason he probably decided to lecture you instead of pursuing it is that he didn't know how to deal with your non-USA license. All kinds of issues would have popped into his mind. I've had this happen many times in foreign countries.
And if he did know the procedure then that would probably have entailed his wasting half of his tour escorting you down to the station where you would have eventually been bailed out (presuming you carry cash). Few American cops are ever allowed to accept cash from defendants (though in one or two enterprising states they do tend to carry around credit card machines).
If you had been from the USA then you can be 100% sure you would have got a ticket at 92 MPH.
I gave up my Connecticut license many years ago and this was one of the primary reasons.
Given the officer's likely experiences with speed and what he has heard about driving in Germany, I wonder what he thought of your little comment about driving 150 MPH regularly at home? I can only imagine.
I totally agree with your comments on attentiveness vs. speed. If I for some reason need to travel very slowly then I have a very hard time keeping an appropriate lookout.
S.
On the speed issue, you are preaching to the converted. Those who don't agree aren't reading your forum (I hope!)
The real reason he probably decided to lecture you instead of pursuing it is that he didn't know how to deal with your non-USA license. All kinds of issues would have popped into his mind. I've had this happen many times in foreign countries.
And if he did know the procedure then that would probably have entailed his wasting half of his tour escorting you down to the station where you would have eventually been bailed out (presuming you carry cash). Few American cops are ever allowed to accept cash from defendants (though in one or two enterprising states they do tend to carry around credit card machines).
If you had been from the USA then you can be 100% sure you would have got a ticket at 92 MPH.
I gave up my Connecticut license many years ago and this was one of the primary reasons.
Given the officer's likely experiences with speed and what he has heard about driving in Germany, I wonder what he thought of your little comment about driving 150 MPH regularly at home? I can only imagine.
I totally agree with your comments on attentiveness vs. speed. If I for some reason need to travel very slowly then I have a very hard time keeping an appropriate lookout.
S.
Re: Speedy german tourist(s)
Stephen, even now I remember his first words when he heard about that 150 mph SUV driving: "stop argueing with me". I'm not sure he didn't know what to do with my driver's license (and my passport, he asked for that too). He explained to me that I'd have appear at a court at a certain place as far as I remember within a certain period of time or otherwise they put me on a black list and hunt me down as soon as I re-enter the US sometimes in the future. Maybe he just tried to scare me but I have to confess that he succeeded pretty well. We're every year in the States, it wouldn't have been wise not to pay the fine.
Speed limits are speed limits. I remember a funny story about a US tourist in Bavaria. This guy rented a BMW and a camouflaged police car (we have lots of them with video equipment inside) stopped him going 190 kph in a 100 kph zone. Apparently he didn't know that even in Germany, there are sometimes speed limits in effect even on the Autobahn. He must have missed the 100 limit sign at that speed.
BTW: he had to pay the fine (about 500 USD at that time) but they didn't take his license. Worst thing: german police didn't accept credit cards by that time (even now this is a big problem) and they drove him to the next bank to get money. Oh boy, I guess he never forgot this vacation. Seems that US police is more tolerant towards tourist speeding. Lucky me.
I'm not sure he didn't know what to do with my driver's license (and my passport, he asked for that too). He explained to me that I'd have appear at a court at a certain place as far as I remember within a certain period of time or otherwise they put me on a black list and hunt me down as soon as I re-enter the US sometimes in the future. Maybe he just tried to scare me but I have to confess that he succeeded pretty well. We're every year in the States, it wouldn't have been wise not to pay the fine.Speed limits are speed limits. I remember a funny story about a US tourist in Bavaria. This guy rented a BMW and a camouflaged police car (we have lots of them with video equipment inside) stopped him going 190 kph in a 100 kph zone. Apparently he didn't know that even in Germany, there are sometimes speed limits in effect even on the Autobahn. He must have missed the 100 limit sign at that speed.
BTW: he had to pay the fine (about 500 USD at that time) but they didn't take his license. Worst thing: german police didn't accept credit cards by that time (even now this is a big problem) and they drove him to the next bank to get money. Oh boy, I guess he never forgot this vacation. Seems that US police is more tolerant towards tourist speeding. Lucky me.
Europe is far more practical
Yes, they're far more practical in Europe. All they want is the money. Of course, I've never had to caugh up money like that but I know others who have.
Most Americans would happily pay US$500 rather than deal with a lot of license and probable increases in their insurance.
One of the reasons I always like to have an International Driving Permit handy is that it adds to the confusion. After a while, they have too many pieces of paper in their hands and they get a headache. Can't figure out which number goes in the big license number box and what is the two-letter state code for Germany anyway??
Alas, I have one or two IDP's waiting patiently for me to return in strange third-world places.
My general practice is if they actually put something on paper then I always enter a plea of not-guilty and wait to see what develops. So far, the prosecutors have always got the message that it would be a gigantic waste of their time.
Humm ... I better stop now else everyone will get the impression that I have no respect for authority.
S.
Most Americans would happily pay US$500 rather than deal with a lot of license and probable increases in their insurance.
One of the reasons I always like to have an International Driving Permit handy is that it adds to the confusion. After a while, they have too many pieces of paper in their hands and they get a headache. Can't figure out which number goes in the big license number box and what is the two-letter state code for Germany anyway??
Alas, I have one or two IDP's waiting patiently for me to return in strange third-world places.
My general practice is if they actually put something on paper then I always enter a plea of not-guilty and wait to see what develops. So far, the prosecutors have always got the message that it would be a gigantic waste of their time.
Humm ... I better stop now else everyone will get the impression that I have no respect for authority.
S.
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