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355Spider said:
All this argueing will be useless once GMs blue devil/Z07/Stingray comes out. I can't imagine what +150hp and -150Lbs is gonna do to that car.
. Discounting, of course, illegal immigrants from Mexico 
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rhino said:
In that regard, I too would like Porsche to bring up the HP # but in three years 4 years time these cars are going to be so fast (all marks included) that enthusiasts are going to be looking for a car like porsche that provides the interaction that us Pcar owners have experienced any enjoy.
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95jersey said:
Sorry, but you are definately wrong about run-flats being more performance oriented. Comparing run-flats to non-run flats is almost like comparing treaded tires to semi-slick tires. They are a huge hindrance on the track, and are only put on the Z06 because it is a mass produced vehicle with no space engineered for a spare tire.
Jan 17, 2007 3:46:37 PM
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Walter said:
That car already exists.You skipped that part of my previous post.It's a British based Dutch car tuned by a small German company and it was 4 seconds quicker than the CGT in a +-70 seconds lap.
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Walter said:
If you want to know which manufacturer builds the fastest cars let me just say that GM doesn't have 16 overall wins in Le Mans.
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95jersey said:
Sorry, but you are definately wrong about run-flats being more performance oriented. Comparing run-flats to non-run flats is almost like comparing treaded tires to semi-slick tires. They are a huge hindrance on the track, and are only put on the Z06 because it is a mass produced vehicle with no space engineered for a spare tire.
Sport Auto did a test with Michelins and Bridgestones.They compared the runflat versions to the non runflat versions of the same type of tires.The runflats were faster in the the dry (by over a second I think).But in the wet runflats were much slower.
It's because of the stiff side walls.When someone goes to the track with normal tires it is always better to increase tire pressure to have stiffer sidewalls.It gives many advantages.
Semi slicks are probably faster than the run flats but there surely isn't a 2 seconds difference between the two.Because semi slicks aren't only dry specialists and also because runflats are faster than some might think.
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95jersey said:
I have not seen the article, but I completely refute this idea. Also regarding pressure, it depends on the tire, but more pressure is actually bad as it makes the sidewall too stiff and causes the tire to slide becuase the sidewall does not comply to the imperfections in the road. I have literally been to the race track 100 times using all kinds of tires and too much pressure always results in tire overheating, understeer, and an overall slippery experience. I will actually start my temps around the stock setting as air expands when it heats. So my starting temps (cold) may be 30 lbs, and my hot temps (after 30 minutes) could easily be 37 lbs. Once the tire heats up too much, they actually need to be bleed down throughout the day.
Also, cars with more HP will require lower pressures in the rear so you can get the power down coming out of the corners, if the tire is too stiff or has too much pressure, the tire will let loose much easier and cause major oversteer. Ever see a drag car wrinkle the tires during a launch? The same principle applies, the tires has to slightly give in order to obtain traction.
Just like suspension, too stiff is bad. Run flats have steel in their sidewall which does not comply under heavy racing conditions. If run flats were faster, you would see them on every race car.
I hope this helps explains why run flats make poor track tires.
Jan 17, 2007 8:20:33 PM
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RR4 said:
We are getting off topic here.
I'm sure on the inside, the Z06 people's hearts sunk when they found out that their machine only matches the RS's performance, come on, let's be honest.
I thought the Z06 would beat it too, it's lighter, more powerful etc etc.
And that is what makes the RS so amazing. And that is what the argument was about. The Z06 guys had to bring up the price issue and for that yes they are absolutely right, the Z06 is the more bang for buck, better value etc etc, but guys, the $50k difference between the 2 cars or ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD won't change the fact that the Z06 can only match the RS's perfromance.
Sorry.
Jan 17, 2007 9:43:45 PM
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Jan 18, 2007 12:32:14 AM
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MMD said:
Is this thread about which is the "better" car?
Simple, get a bunch of women together, the ones you would like to date, and ask them.
Hard to explain but everyone in my group would loooove the Porsche.
They'd wrinkle their noses and shake their heads when looking at the Corvette.
I'm not making this up; from the particular datable women I know (and have known) I guarantee it.
Jan 18, 2007 1:11:13 AM
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Leawood911 said:
But, I love your idea of using the girl 'factor' to decide. Forget 0-60 time, how about intro-shag time.
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95jersey said:
Actually Porsche (and other manufacturers) don't need to keep adding HP, they need to reduce weight. I would rather see a Corvette/Porsche at 2750 and leave the power alone.
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95jersey said:
Actually Porsche (and other manufacturers) don't need to keep adding HP, they need to reduce weight. I would rather see a Corvette/Porsche at 2750 and leave the power alone.
Damn straight, that. I'll take a lighter car over a more powerful car any day of the week. It's a vicious cycle where you add more horsepower and then you need to beef up the suspension and wheels and chassis which adds more weight which means you want more horsepower which means you need to beef up the suspension and wheels and chassis...
It's about power to weight ratio, not power, otherwise we'd all be driving Peterbilt semi tractors.
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MMD said:
Is this thread about which is the "better" car?
Simple, get a bunch of women together, the ones you would like to date, and ask them.
Hard to explain but everyone in my group would loooove the Porsche.
They'd wrinkle their noses and shake their heads when looking at the Corvette.
I'm not making this up; from the particular datable women I know (and have known) I guarantee it.
Jan 18, 2007 3:02:12 PM
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MMD said:
Is this thread about which is the "better" car?
Simple, get a bunch of women together, the ones you would like to date, and ask them.
Hard to explain but everyone in my group would loooove the Porsche.
They'd wrinkle their noses and shake their heads when looking at the Corvette.
I'm not making this up; from the particular datable women I know (and have known) I guarantee it.
Jan 18, 2007 3:44:36 PM
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95jersey said:
Someone who buys a Corvette is not looking to impress anyone, but rather is interested in performance.
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69bossnine said:And if you're thinking the Z06 looks a bit gaudy and hokey and batmobile-ish, what do you think it looks like tearing through town in a car with a 2-foot tall wing, and its name spelled-out billboard-style on each rocker panel??
This is more about ego and brand-affection than much else...
Jan 18, 2007 4:57:59 PM
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69bossnine said:
That's why I'm so defensive on this. It'd be one thing, if the Corvette were in the 911 price range. Then, it'd be fair-game to rag it for its materials and workmanship.
But if you APPRECIATE what Chevy is trying to do with the car, and how WELL they do it for the price they are able to sell it for, it's just as commendable a feat as the GT3 RS...
That's my beef guys. Quit acting like you're "too good" for the Corvette guys, and be nice. They're just trying to go fast, look good, and have fun, like you. Not everyone can afford or justify a $120K toy with no a/c, that is cambered to chew through tires every 3,000 miles...
And if you're thinking the Z06 looks a bit gaudy and hokey and batmobile-ish, what do you think it looks like tearing through town in a car with a 2-foot tall wing, and its name spelled-out billboard-style on each rocker panel??
This is more about ego and brand-affection than much else...
Jan 19, 2007 8:17:05 AM
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RR4 said:
I'm not worried about the stigma of the Z06. The GT3's interior wasn't that great either the last time around. My best friend has a Z06 and he let me drive it and the car is effing amazing, the power is truly incredible and I do love the car.
But the RS is even more amazing because it matches the Z06's incredible performance with more weight AND less power.
My argument has nothing to do with ego, you guys are putting words into our mouths. I'm even considering buying a Z06, I'm not prejudiced.
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