Re: Very disappointed with 997 TT
On Nov. 4th I took this picture of a black 997 Turbo being delivered, now it's back at the dealer:
http://www.finn.no/finn/car/object?finnkode=9082397&sid=6avIvKRue727496&pos=2&tot=107
Jan 5, 2007 12:32:14 PM
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silverrules said:
Usually if I am not happy with any of my car, I dump it as fast as I can. It will be gone before I even know it myself. I don't go on line and complain about the quality of it and hold on to the car, but everyone is different, I guess.
Jan 5, 2007 12:47:09 PM
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Over the Hill said:
LukasLuis, sorry for your disappointment, but as I recall (confirmed by a search of your posts) you were told at the outset that this car was not for you and that you would be disappointed in it. You apparently ignored the advice of several long time Porsche owners [...]
Jan 5, 2007 1:49:12 PM
Jan 6, 2007 10:12:17 PM
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Ferdie said:
Now that you mention it, I remember it as well. I honestly cannot understand how someone could buy an expensive car without having taken a testdrive or at least a ride in it.
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RC said:
Sorry, LL but maybe something is wrong with your car or your expectations are just too high:
1. my 997 Turbo is faster in ANY speed range than a BMW M6, we already tested it and the difference isn't only minor but substantial. Especially at speeds over 200 kph, the BMW stands no chance, same at speeds below 160 kph. Between 160 and 200 kph, the BMW M6 falls back only a little but still no match for the Turbo.
2. Above 250 kph, my car accelerates like hell. No problem to hit 310 kph pretty fast, only above 310 kph on the speedo, the speed increase is a bit slow up to 326/327 on the speedo which should be true 311 kph (measured by GPS).
3. The turbo lag is still there but only at lower rev figures and compared to the 996 Turbo, it has been reduced a lot. With Sport Chrono turned on, the Turbo lag is even more reduced, throttle response is very good for a turbo charged engine.
4. Exhaust sound is indeed ridiculous. It gets better after 6000 km or so but still, not satisfying. Apparently Porsche targets a different audience with the 997 Turbo, those mid 40s/mid 50s business men who travel a lot and don't want to be annoyed by excessive exhaust note. The truth is: 90% of the Turbo owners I met apparently are a good match for Porsche marketing since they really couldn't care less about the exhaust sound.
5. The BOSE sound system is not a system perfect for the ears of an audiophile but trust me, as a musician and audiophile person, the sound system is still pretty good for a Porsche and seems to be at par with other systems available at Audi or BMW for example. I hear mostly dance music like R%B, Hip Hop, Trance, House, etc., the sound is great, not so great using MP3 files though.
6. The build quality of my 997 Turbo is impeccable but I also have to admit that I'm not the type of person who cares too much about interior noises since I mostly listen to music, to the exhaust sound (Cargraphic exhaust) or just cocentrate on driving. However, no interior noises yet, thanks god. The quality on Porsche cars has never been as good as it is now, I don't know your experience with Porsche in the past but I started with a 993 back in 1996 and since then, I had more than half a dozend Porsche and quality has improved with each model. Also don't forget that I'm helping running this site, so I saw and learned a lot of things about Porsche quality and believe me, the quality was NEVER that high in the Porsche past.
If you think your car is underpowered, you may be right. Yes, 100 HP more shouldn't be a problem. On the other hand, if you can handle the current available power at the limit (and I don't mean driving on the Autobahn ), you must be a very good driver and this may be the wrong car for you, unless you need the rear seats like I do.
Anyway: til now, only one car was able to keep up with the 997 Turbo and only at a certain speed range, the Corvette Z06. And of course Alois Ruf blew me away in his blue Ruf RT monster but surprisingly, only at speeds over 160 kph.
0-300 kph in 40 seconds. If you call this slow, I really don't know what your expectations are. Maybe you want to wait for the 997 GT2.
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Just a short addition: http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=292479&an=0&page=0#292479
This is the link where everything started.
Maybe a M6 would have been the right car for LL but I doubt it. My advice if you have the money: get a Brabus ROCKET with 730 HP, this car does 0-300 kph in aprox. 30 seconds and has room for four people and a lot of luggage, incl. some superb comfort. Not quite cheap but I think this would be the right car for you. Not that I told you before that the 997 Turbo isn't the right car for you.
Jan 7, 2007 5:50:52 PM
Jan 7, 2007 5:55:04 PM
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twin turbo said:
in the uk autocar magazine said that the 997 turbo was slower than m6 above 120 mph? so whos right?
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twin turbo said:
in the uk autocar magazine said that the 997 turbo was slower than m6 above 120 mph? so whos right?
We tested only ONE M6 in comparison, so maybe we are wrong.
On the other hand, we tested two CUSTOMER cars in comparison, not press cars, so do the math.
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twin turbo said:
in the uk autocar magazine said that the 997 turbo was slower than m6 above 120 mph? so whos right?
We tested only ONE M6 in comparison, so maybe we are wrong.
On the other hand, we tested two CUSTOMER cars in comparison, not press cars, so do the math.
Also, MKSGR tested TWO different M6s against his 996TT X50 and the stock M6 was slower than the Turbo above 240 km/h, while the tuned M6 kept up with him, but couldn't overtake him.
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twin turbo said:
in the uk autocar magazine said that the 997 turbo was slower than m6 above 120 mph? so whos right?
We tested only ONE M6 in comparison, so maybe we are wrong.
On the other hand, we tested two CUSTOMER cars in comparison, not press cars, so do the math.
Also, MKSGR tested TWO different M6s against his 996TT X50 and the stock M6 was slower than the Turbo above 240 km/h, while the tuned M6 kept up with him, but couldn't overtake him.
We have to differ between amateur testing and professional testing.
On every test in the lower range (up to 160 km/h) the 997 tt was faster. There are only three tests I have read where they have tested to higher speeds, and there everytime the M6 was faster in the higher region. I mean e.g. form 160-250 km/h.
My personal feeling was that the M6 is very fast in the upper region faster then a 997 tt. But this is my objective feeling.
AM
Jan 7, 2007 7:36:27 PM
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silverrules said:
Usually if I am not happy with any of my car, I dump it as fast as I can. It will be gone before I even know it myself. I don't go on line and complain about the quality of it and hold on to the car, but everyone is different, I guess.
Isn't that what we did?
Jan 7, 2007 8:04:33 PM
Jan 8, 2007 6:01:34 AM
Quote:The first sentence is correct. It was my stock M6. The second sentence is wrong: the 996TT X50 was slower then the tuned M6 in every situation.
Crash said:
Also, MKSGR tested TWO different M6s against his 996TT X50 and the stock M6 was slower than the Turbo above 240 km/h, while the tuned M6 kept up with him, but couldn't overtake him.
Jan 8, 2007 9:17:56 AM
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turbosteff said:Quote:The first sentence is correct. It was my stock M6. The second sentence is wrong: the 996TT X50 was slower then the tuned M6 in every situation.
Crash said:
Also, MKSGR tested TWO different M6s against his 996TT X50 and the stock M6 was slower than the Turbo above 240 km/h, while the tuned M6 kept up with him, but couldn't overtake him.
Jan 8, 2007 4:57:09 PM
Jan 8, 2007 5:13:13 PM
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silverrules said:
Usually if I am not happy with any of my car, I dump it as fast as I can. It will be gone before I even know it myself. I don't go on line and complain about the quality of it and hold on to the car, but everyone is different, I guess.
Isn't that what we did?
After selling my car, I would stop checking 997TT forum and If I had just gotten a brand new BMW 335 becasue I couldn't afford the 997TT and I was way over my head in debt, I would start attending the 335forum and start all over again
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silverrules said:
Usually if I am not happy with any of my car, I dump it as fast as I can. It will be gone before I even know it myself. I don't go on line and complain about the quality of it and hold on to the car, but everyone is different, I guess.
Isn't that what we did?
After selling my car, I would stop checking 997TT forum and If I had just gotten a brand new BMW 335 becasue I couldn't afford the 997TT and I was way over my head in debt, I would start attending the 335forum and start all over again
What a pretentious, bitter, person you must be. I won't even banter with over you ridiculous, insensitive statements.
Jan 8, 2007 9:47:08 PM