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Dec 27, 2006 11:02:12 AM
- easy_rider911
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Dec 27, 2006 3:45:48 PM
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Dec 27, 2006 7:02:05 PM
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Re: '08 Cayman S
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I'm looking forward to the 400HP barrier. 300 is so close to the current 295 that it isn't significant.
It's significant if you're coming from a base Boxster with 217HP.
David
But then so is going from 217-295HP. If that is the only difference I wouldn't wait for a MY08 unless it was a only an extra month or so on delivery.
Dec 27, 2006 7:34:13 PM
- chows4us
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Re: '08 Cayman S
I just read the latest January 2007 issue of Car magazine, where the CEO of Porshe, Wendelin Wiedeking, says that the priorities for Porsche are the customer, the workers, and then the shareholders, in that order. His words strikes me as incongruous with his actions. Come on, Wiedeking, gives us the car we want to buy instead of piecemealing it out to milk profits. It's a darn shame when we fork over $60,000 for a car only to be smoked by a car half the price. Where's your Porsche pride? Do it to uphold the Porsche legacy. Don't underestimate the competition like Detroit did. Unleash the full potential of the Cayman now, before it's too late.
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Be that as it may, I am not fooled by the 300 barrier milestone. It is, in reality, only 5HP away, or, only a 2% increase. The real milestone, which it seems Porsche AG is unwilling or incapable of achieving, is the 400HP barrier.
Yes well it's important to me that my next Porsche break the "psychologically important" 300HP mark. When people ask me how much HP my car has I want to be able to say at least 300, instead 200 and something... 300 just sounds better than 200 and something. Just like it's "psychologically important" for some people to buy the S instead of the base, even though the HP difference is less than 2%.
David
Dec 28, 2006 3:04:33 PM
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Re: '08 Cayman S
If the Carrera's in 2008 do come with Direct injection, then both mid-engined cars should also get it. To get direct injection, porsche is re-designing the heads... and the 3.4L motor uses the 3.6L heads. So I don't think it'll be a surprise to see a 10-15 percent increase in power for '08 and better fuel mileage. The Cayenne will also be direct inj. for '08... so it makes sense.
That being said... Porsche has never played in the Hp games... power to weight ratio is where it's at... and making the car lighter helps cornering/stopping, and acceleration...
That being said... Porsche has never played in the Hp games... power to weight ratio is where it's at... and making the car lighter helps cornering/stopping, and acceleration...
Dec 29, 2006 1:11:58 AM
- wushuhsu
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Re: '08 Cayman S
Not concerned about horsepower alone. It's the "slow Porsche" part that I'm concerned about. Other manufacturers like BMW already have direct injection and their cars are fast. If Porsche can cut weight with an aluminum alloy frame, ceramic brakes, and carbon-fiber roof, that's just fine. Horsepower may or may not have to increase. But the end result has to be as fast as my buddy's car.
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flew apart..lol it wasn't my car but it was a evolution motorsports supercharger..as for hearing it..if you listen carefully yes but if you had no idea you wouldn't know any better..(it doesnt help that the car had custom cats on it though). I have no idea about maintenance though..it does spin to about 10k revs though! As for porsche not building the cars we want in the first place.. how come they are the most profitable car company in the world and placed arguably to become the worlds most powerful after toyota.. re: controling share in VW group..
Re: '08 Cayman S
I don't know. Maybe they rip off their loyal customers on option pricing just a little?
Maybe they're forgetting they were on the brink of bankruptcy only a few years ago and now that they're making money they think they don't have to listen to their customers or heed any competition just because they're Porsche?
Maybe they're forgetting they were on the brink of bankruptcy only a few years ago and now that they're making money they think they don't have to listen to their customers or heed any competition just because they're Porsche?
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Yes they certainly were on the brink..thanks to the boxter and eventually the cayenne here we are! as for option pricing, whilst they are horrendously expensive (Pounds700 for painted wheels!!!??!?!) they are pretty much in line with other prestige sports car manufacturers, ferrari, lambourgini, mercedes..
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Yes they certainly were on the brink..thanks to the boxter and eventually the cayenne here we are! as for option pricing, whilst they are horrendously expensive (Pounds700 for painted wheels!!!??!?!)
So, we're agreed on how Porsche is so profitable --- they charge a huge mark-up.
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Yes they certainly were on the brink..thanks to the boxter and eventually the cayenne here we are! as for option pricing, whilst they are horrendously expensive (Pounds700 for painted wheels!!!??!?!)
So, we're agreed on how Porsche is so profitable --- they charge a huge mark-up.
The fact that they make fabulous cars also has something to do with it, don't you think?
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The fact that they make fabulous cars also has something to do with it, don't you think?
Yes, fabulous, and fast too. Unfortunately, unless they continue to be as fast or faster than other cars on the road, they will quickly become not so fabulous.
Sigh. ... Then why is it that when the campares say the z4M coupe and CS, although the OEM CS may be slower in acceleration, they auto journalists always pick the CS as the better all-around sports car.
being the fastest doesn not equate to being the best.
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1. It takes a while for the aura to wear off. Sometimes, it can be as slow, and as deadly, as water on rock sometimes. All the little hits to Porsche's reputation from getting smoked by cars half the price add up.
2. Would you buy yesterday's performance for tomorrow's prices? Car technology is improving rapidly and what we only find in horribly expensive supercars of the past can be had for pennies on the dollar today. I'm just waiting for Lexus to come out with a better Porsche for $30,000 less. Then we'll see how invincible the Porsche badge really is.
2. Would you buy yesterday's performance for tomorrow's prices? Car technology is improving rapidly and what we only find in horribly expensive supercars of the past can be had for pennies on the dollar today. I'm just waiting for Lexus to come out with a better Porsche for $30,000 less. Then we'll see how invincible the Porsche badge really is.
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