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Apr 26, 2004 10:38:46 PM

brh986: Newbie; Loc:; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 23, 2003; Reply to: arakis

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

Regardless the MKII GT3 does 7.54 even without Roehl driving and that's with ~400 horsepower and less weight than this new 997 S. Given that there's no way the 997 S is going to do 7.56.

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Apr 26, 2004 11:34:22 PM

CF: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Florida , United States; Posts: 1113, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 30, 2003; Reply to: brh986

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

I might be hard for you to accept but it's just the way it is.

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Apr 27, 2004 7:39:51 PM

brh986: Newbie; Loc:; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 23, 2003; Reply to: CF

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

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CF said:
I might be hard for you to accept but it's just the way it is.

Pure idiocy. Great though they Porsche cannot break (or change) the laws of physics. more weight and less horsepower != faster or equal laptimes!

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Apr 27, 2004 7:56:37 PM

Justin: Veteran; Loc: San Diego, CA, USA; Posts: 979, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 12, 2003; Reply to: brh986

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

Well, we have not really talked about whether Porsche is still under rating its engines and how the new active suspension system works. The latter is somewhat of an interesting proposition. CF seems to very confident in this lap time, as he has not offered much of an explanation at all.

On Ferrari laptimes: Does Ferrari actually test on the Nurburgring? It would make sense if Porsches are somewhat more optimized for running at the ring in terms of suspension settings, gearing etc..

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Apr 27, 2004 8:11:54 PM

CF: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Florida , United States; Posts: 1113, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 30, 2003; Reply to: Justin

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

The reason for the big improvement is in a large part due to the Active suspension.

Evolution:

993 GT2 Ring laptime: 8.10 (430 HP and 1290 kg)
996 GT2 Ring laptime: 7.46 (462 HP and 1440 kg)

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Apr 27, 2004 8:14:03 PM

CF: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Florida , United States; Posts: 1113, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 30, 2003; Reply to: CF

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

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On Ferrari laptimes: Does Ferrari actually test on the Nurburgring?

Of course they do!
All manufacturers do that, some more than others of course.

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Apr 27, 2004 11:05:36 PM

BMCG: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 230, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 28, 2003; Reply to: CF

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

CF - thanks for the stats on the GT2 generations...never appreciated the extent to which the 996 GT2 advanced over its predecessor.

Makes quite an argument for advancement at essentially constant power/weight ratio.

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Apr 28, 2004 2:28:41 PM

brh986: Newbie; Loc:; Posts: 29, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 23, 2003; Reply to: BMCG

Re: 997 S Ring laptime.

The real question is whether or not the 993 based GT2 engines were underated to the same degree as the current model GT3 and GT2 which ARE undoubtedly underrated.

The torque figures on each car might be of minor interest as well...

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