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Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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P.S.: If by chance any of you decides to visit my country, don't you ever close a street like that!!! because you'll be going home in a coffinLOL we are really aggressive drivers...like the Italians for instance...but I've read somewhere that the wost European drivers are either the ones from Luxembourg or Belgium...can't recall which one...
The ones with the lower speed limits.
Well, it can't be belgium then.
When I was in LA, I had the great chance to drive a rental ( a white chevy, don't remmber wich one) and it was the most boring driving experience in my entire life.
On the freeway, everybody is driving at the same speed (55mph an hour) no matter what. There are no lane for those who want to go faster. It's a mess. I used to slalom between sleeping drivers. There was one driving with his left foot on the seat, another one eating and drinking but it was a girl putting maskara on who won the biscuit. I can tell you that people were looking at me like I was nuts or something. God I hate driving there.
you get as much fun driving a bmw in LA as driving a fiat in europe. You get as much fun driving a porsche in LA as driving a bmw in europe. It's like US roads suck the life out of a car. The fun of the car is divided by 2 just because you're on some freeway.
And then, they are those dring pick-up trucks. What fun can they possibly have? I feel for you americans.
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P.S.: If by chance any of you decides to visit my country, don't you ever close a street like that!!! because you'll be going home in a coffin
The ones with the lower speed limits.
Well, it can't be belgium then.
When I was in LA, I had the great chance to drive a rental ( a white chevy, don't remmber wich one) and it was the most boring driving experience in my entire life.
On the freeway, everybody is driving at the same speed (55mph an hour) no matter what. There are no lane for those who want to go faster. It's a mess. I used to slalom between sleeping drivers. There was one driving with his left foot on the seat, another one eating and drinking but it was a girl putting maskara on who won the biscuit. I can tell you that people were looking at me like I was nuts or something. God I hate driving there.
you get as much fun driving a bmw in LA as driving a fiat in europe. You get as much fun driving a porsche in LA as driving a bmw in europe. It's like US roads suck the life out of a car. The fun of the car is divided by 2 just because you're on some freeway.
And then, they are those dring pick-up trucks. What fun can they possibly have? I feel for you americans.
you just have to let me take you out for a ride in my Transit...after that you'll have a whole new opinion on how fun a van can be...honestly, it's seriously fun to drive this thing...it's hard to resist not to power drift out of corners
lol 
and to let you know how serious this van is, check out how fast Sabine Schmitz drove it round the ring...
http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/videos/18/chooseconnection.html
this reminded me of when I got my 2003 Clio 1,4...that car is unbelievable fun to drive...you can understeer, oversteer, slide out of a corner with all wheels drifting...superb handling indeed...I've humiliated many posers in much "sportier" cars...it's got soul...
Dec 23, 2006 10:56:48 PM
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Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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JimFlat6 said:Crash, the invasion of afghanistan was not "botched" - but the aftermath - with a Taliban safe haven in Waziristan, the usual local corruption, the huge Iranian influence in the region, the none to clever western military prediliction for being road bound, the ability for the Taliban to regroup in the tribal areas of Pakistan, the safe havens for key Al Quaida people in Iran,the "special clauses" used by some NATO countries to escape their full responsibilities etc.. But those are the conditions and thats the playing field. So whats your solution? Play Ustashi of the Hindu Kush? Too radical. Hide behind the British Army? Not enough boots on the ground. Change the culture of Afhghanistan with a magic wand? Sorry, but there is no Disney war channel with garaunteed 30 minute happy endings.
Dear Jim, this is factually inaccurate (in places) with all due respect.
IMO, the Afghan invasion itself was executed very well. I personally am very glad that the Taliban (who are orthodox Sunni Muslims) were removed from power. Was this legal in public international law? Yes. Did world opinion support US action? Yes. The catastrophe in Afghanistan has not been the invasion itself but in the post invasion period. Hamid Karzai is in practice not the President of Afghanistan but only of Kabul. He is unsafe in his own country. Warlords still dominate much of the country. The Taliban have fought back to regain so much territory.
The people of Afghanistan suffered years of Soviet occupation. When they left, there was over a decade of internecine conflict between warring tribes of Mujahideen all fighting for power and land. The Taliban prevailed. It was a government that no sovereign nations recognised in international law. Nonetheless they harboured Al Qaeda. Sadly for the people of Afghanistan, the country has scarcely progressed in the last 4 years since the US invaded.
May I correct a few facts please. Iran hs almost zero influence in Afghanistan. The Iranians are Shi'a. The Afghans are Sunni. They hate each other.
The sad historical reality is that every foreign power since Alexander the Great that has tried to 'tame' Afghanistan has failed and been forced to retreat at considerable cost.
The US escapade in Afghanistan has achieved only one thing: removal of the Taliban but sadly not much else.
Dec 23, 2006 11:33:23 PM
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@Easy. In Kabul you will see that the second largest embassy compound is that of Iran. They have a long border with Afghanistan. And yes, at first glance there is a whopping difference between the Shia of Iran and the predominantly sunni of Afghanistan. However, that does not stop Iran from providing support in what ways it can to fight the coalition forces in Iran. If you go back to the Soviet war in afghanistan you will see that the Afghans had no problem in taking support and aide from Iran and today is little different.
I do agree with the not much else part of what you said. Its a very corrupt place. Where has all the billions in aide gone? Look at the new houses being built around the capital and follow ther money to their owners bank accounts.
Really, the West is too lazy, too corrupt, too guiless, and to soft to fight any modern insurgency and to rebuild
properly what they should have years ago. You can add incompetent and arrogant to that also.
I do agree with the not much else part of what you said. Its a very corrupt place. Where has all the billions in aide gone? Look at the new houses being built around the capital and follow ther money to their owners bank accounts.
Really, the West is too lazy, too corrupt, too guiless, and to soft to fight any modern insurgency and to rebuild
properly what they should have years ago. You can add incompetent and arrogant to that also.
Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
Marcus, thank you very much for the link!
I relly enjoyed it.
Impressive Sabine Schmidt!! That's the kind of woman I'd love to find!
In any case, can't agree more with you: a fast car is a matter of the pilot, not only the HP's or how expensive it is (besides the straight line!)
I relly enjoyed it.
Impressive Sabine Schmidt!! That's the kind of woman I'd love to find!
In any case, can't agree more with you: a fast car is a matter of the pilot, not only the HP's or how expensive it is (besides the straight line!)
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Marcus, thank you very much for the link!
I relly enjoyed it.
Impressive Sabine Schmidt!! That's the kind of woman I'd love to find!
In any case, can't agree more with you: a fast car is a matter of the pilot, not only the HP's or how expensive it is (besides the straight line!)
yep...you're right...imagine how it would make you feel if it was you in your supercar and sabine passed you with her van...LOL humiliation cannot describe the feeling I think
Dec 26, 2006 7:43:35 PM
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In any case, can't agree more with you: a fast car is a matter of the pilot, not only the HP's or how expensive it is (besides the straight line!)
So true! Reminds me of a funny "race" between Klaus Ludwig (driving a MB A-Class, 90 hp, equipped with winter tires) and a motor-journalist (driving a 997 TT) on the Nordschleife. To be fair one has to mention that the journalist never drove a Porsche before and never drove Nordschleife - to make matters worse the tarmac was wet.
Before the "race" commenced, Klaus Ludwig assumed that the journalist would finish 30 sec. ahead of Ludwig. In fact the journalist stalled the 997 TT at the start and after restarting the engine he never saw Ludwig again on the track. Ludwig crossed the finish line 2 minutes ahead of the journalist.
Dec 26, 2006 8:21:37 PM
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Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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Byron said:
In any case, can't agree more with you: a fast car is a matter of the pilot, not only the HP's or how expensive it is (besides the straight line!)
So true! Reminds me of a funny "race" between Klaus Ludwig (driving a MB A-Class, 90 hp, equipped with winter tires) and a motor-journalist (driving a 997 TT) on the Nordschleife. To be fair one has to mention that the journalist never drove a Porsche before and never drove Nordschleife - to make matters worse the tarmac was wet.
Never heard about that race before.
So what qualified that guy to call himself a motor journalist:
1. never driven a Porsche
2. never driven on the Nordschleife
3. stalled the car getting it off the line.
I would have been prepared to forgive him for losing 2 minutes a lap to Klaus Ludwig.
Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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"Clarkson's rant is nothing more than a typical self serving anti-American nationalistic vomit of left wing socialist crap."
carreraman, FYI JC is right-wing. He is not a left-wing socialist.
That's always the accusation the more militant Americans make: "Left-wing, socialist propagandist crap"
Also to add, the only reason the Americans managed to even get anything off the ground were the German scientsts.
And breaking the sound barrier was entirely due to the British abandoning their supersonic program and giving all the data to the Americans.
What Americans are good at is innovation, IMO.
Von Braun was the driving force of nasa in the 1960's and a great visionary but hardly doing the nitty gritty. As to the first;
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/goddard.htm
Being factually correct helps arguments.
Guys let me know when a european will step on the moon for the first time. Thank God Bush has done something right with his decision to go back to the moon and then to Mars. That is a major step in ensuring engineering proficiency.
BTW Maglev train technology was invented at MIT, but our govt. spends too much on defense and therefore Germany and china run with it.
Haven't really heard of any engineering schools globally that compete w/Stanford, MIT, and Berkeley....India's IIT's simply export their smartest students to Stanford, et al for grad study (and have been doing so for some 40yrs); most smart people anywhere seek to locate in places where their talent/innovation/work product/business formation is best rewarded economically; where they are amongst many similar-minded, ambitious colleagues; and where the standard-of-living for the affluent is the greatest...
Then consider total stock market value of public tech cos. and explain why SilicVy dwarfs such places as Seattle, Boston, Munich, etc....why hasn't MIT spawned much tech stk mkt value in Bos? Why haven't Microsoft alums been able to successfully create highly valued tech cos. in Seattle?
Also consider where financial innovation resides in terms of leading hedge funds, private equity, venture capital and investment banks.....NYC/Greenwich and SF/SilicVy dominate....and London is largely a suburb of NYC, w/primarily a US-developed (and often Wharton/Harvard-educated) financial infrastructure w/large offices for US-based inv banks, private equity, etc to tap the rather interesting inefficiencies of the quasi-socialist/heavily family-controlled, but facing intergenerational transfer EU economies/mkts....
Sure, very few college-educated (w/IQ>100) US residents have chosen to purchase/drive US engineered/built cars for perhaps the past 20 yrs or so...but most semi-intelligent US buyers have known for decades that US-built cars aren't known for their safety, performance, quality, reliability, dealer service, or innovation
...and simply buy a new S-Class if they can afford it....or a Camry if they can't ......but it's also not clear to me that the smartest kids in engineering school anywhere have pursued careers in the automotive industry anywhere in the past 25+ yrs......
Dec 27, 2006 2:54:38 PM
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Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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Never heard about that race before.
So what qualified that guy to call himself a motor journalist:
1. never driven a Porsche
2. never driven on the Nordschleife
3. stalled the car getting it off the line.
I would have been prepared to forgive him for losing 2 minutes a lap to Klaus Ludwig.
I guess to qualify as a motor journalist, it's sufficient to be able to read and write
The motor journalist was an Autobild "Redakteur" called Alex Cohrs. Normally he's not into doing test drives himself. The whole idea behind the "race" was to put an average Joe driver behind the wheels of a potent sportscar and to watch what he's able to achieve against a pro race driver in a way inferior car.
There has been no warm up lap to make both drivers familiar with the cars (sounds fair - I guess Klaus Ludwig never drove a MB A-Class before
).Nevertheless Ludwig did not expect such a clear "victory" due to the long high speed legs at Nordschleife.
Actually he commented after the "race": nobody will believe you that someone can be that slow in a 997 TT on the Nordschleife (even on wet tarmac)
Here are the laptimes:
K. Ludwig 11:16
A.Cohrs 13:28
Ludwig did a lap in the 997 TT right after the "race" and achieved 8:20 (IMO quite impressive on wet tarmac).
Dec 27, 2006 6:09:33 PM
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Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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fritz said:
Never heard about that race before.
So what qualified that guy to call himself a motor journalist:
1. never driven a Porsche
2. never driven on the Nordschleife
3. stalled the car getting it off the line.
I would have been prepared to forgive him for losing 2 minutes a lap to Klaus Ludwig.
I guess to qualify as a motor journalist, it's sufficient to be able to read and write
The motor journalist was an Autobild "Redakteur" called Alex Cohrs. Normally he's not into doing test drives himself. The whole idea behind the "race" was to put an average Joe driver behind the wheels of a potent sportscar and to watch what he's able to achieve against a pro race driver in a way inferior car.
There has been no warm up lap to make both drivers familiar with the cars (sounds fair - I guess Klaus Ludwig never drove a MB A-Class before
Nevertheless Ludwig did not expect such a clear "victory" due to the long high speed legs at Nordschleife.
Actually he commented after the "race": nobody will believe you that someone can be that slow in a 997 TT on the Nordschleife (even on wet tarmac)
Here are the laptimes:
K. Ludwig 11:16
A.Cohrs 13:28
Ludwig did a lap in the 997 TT right after the "race" and achieved 8:20 (IMO quite impressive on wet tarmac).
I think it's more difficult to jump up from daily cars to a true sports car than the opposite...I like to see it as when I first started driving go-karts...the steering seemed too quick, you needed more physical strength to control it and all those things that make a go-kart so fun made me feel as if I was driving the real thing!!! and then I drove my car...to be honest it felt like s***t...lol...I don't own a Porsche but I don't think there are that many cars out there than can give you the pure feeling of driving a go-kart...needless to say that after some time of practice, my car felt like a toy in my hands...it was so easy to drive it...but it wasn't so easy to drive the go-kart...the first time I drove one, well almost everyone passed me...the second time, I passed half of them
anyways...maybe it's the same issue here as well...I think it's easier to go from a sports car down to a daily car than the opposite...
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Clarkson is very entertaining. I could watch all day.
Regarding American cars, the US comsumer priorities are vastly different than Europe. If Americans wanted to build a car without concern for their customer base they could build one that would trash most European cars.
American engineering is second to none. We build planes, fly to the moon, computers, software and products that the ROW covets. We must mass produce most Europeans don't.
FYI,
Dr. Werner Von Braun who ran the US space exploration to the moon was a German, from Germany. It was Germany who was ready to go to the moon, and NOT the US. All of that technology was German, not American. The American's had no idea until they got involved in WWII and assumed, along with the other allies, all of the Germany technology.
All rocket technology was German technology that Germany was working on during WWII.
If it wasn't for Braun the US would have surely lost the race to the moon AND the arms race.
I love that "if American's wanted to build cars without conern for their customer base they could? Are you kidding me? They are building cars right now without concern to their customer base. What a joke.
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Hey guys, we are taking this WAY too serious. The guy is an entertainer, not a serious car journalist. The moment he started a TV show that requires ratings, all credibility goes out the door. He simply has a comedy series that happens to talk about cars every now and then. For that, I think he is pretty good...
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95jersey said:
Hey guys, we are taking this WAY too serious. The guy is an entertainer, not a serious car journalist. The moment he started a TV show that requires ratings, all credibility goes out the door. He simply has a comedy series that happens to talk about cars every now and then. For that, I think he is pretty good...
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nberry said:
Clarkson is very entertaining. I could watch all day.
Regarding American cars, the US comsumer priorities are vastly different than Europe. If Americans wanted to build a car without concern for their customer base they could build one that would trash most European cars.
American engineering is second to none. We build planes, fly to the moon, computers, software and products that the ROW covets. We must mass produce most Europeans don't.
FYI,
Dr. Werner Von Braun who ran the US space exploration to the moon was a German, from Germany. It was Germany who was ready to go to the moon, and NOT the US. All of that technology was German, not American. The American's had no idea until they got involved in WWII and assumed, along with the other allies, all of the Germany technology.
All rocket technology was German technology that Germany was working on during WWII.
If it wasn't for Braun the US would have surely lost the race to the moon AND the arms race.
I love that "if American's wanted to build cars without conern for their customer base they could? Are you kidding me? They are building cars right now without concern to their customer base. What a joke.
Please read the entire thread before commenting. I already posted this days ago;
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Von Braun was the driving force of nasa in the 1960's and a great visionary but hardly doing the nitty gritty. As to the first;
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/goddard.htm
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Read the LINK above if you care to comment on Rocketry. Goddard was first and american. Von Braun was talented and a great leader at NASA. If he had not become ill his plans would have had humans (US) on Mars by now.
It was always military money that furthered rocket science whether it was deutschmarks or dollars.
Dec 28, 2006 3:03:11 AM
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Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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So true! Reminds me of a funny "race" between Klaus Ludwig (driving a MB A-Class, 90 hp, equipped with winter tires) and a motor-journalist (driving a 997 TT) on the Nordschleife. To be fair one has to mention that the journalist never drove a Porsche before and never drove Nordschleife - to make matters worse the tarmac was wet.
jajaja, It's really funny....but still, It's difficult to imagine the situation...Nurburgring is long enough to mend a mistake with such a difference between both cars!
I think that the journalist (not really car test driver) had really a bad day (or maybe he is not friendly with wet , twisty roads....).
But, thanks for the data. It just supports what we said: you can "bla, bla" for eons of time about acceleration, weigth, etc., etc., but if Mr Rorhl, or Shummi get a 100 HP car in a twisted road, you better awake! (No matter how "fancy or red" is your "supercar")
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Please all if I'm redundant, but....
Uf! Sabine Schmidt, What a Lady!!!
she sure knows how to drive, doesn't she??? and here's my x-mas gift for you Byron my friend...this is her official site
http://www.sabine-schmitz-motorsport.de/service.html
just click on taxi and you can book a ride in an E60 M5 round the Ring with her...amazing huh???
Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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tony h said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4013662715321332704&q=jeremy+clarkson
Any Idea why this link doesnt work anymore?
Is there any other place to watch this movie?
Re: Clarkson- the good, the bad and the ugly
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Byron said:
Please all if I'm redundant, but....
Uf! Sabine Schmidt, What a Lady!!!
she sure knows how to drive, doesn't she??? and here's my x-mas gift for you Byron my friend...this is her official site
http://www.sabine-schmitz-motorsport.de/service.html
just click on taxi and you can book a ride in an E60 M5 round the Ring with her...amazing huh???
Thank you very much Marcus!
For sure I'll take that taxi when going to Nurburg!
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