Dec 6, 2006 7:35:02 PM
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Dec 6, 2006 7:52:01 PM
- SoCal Alan
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Sales of 4x4s - or sports utility vehicles - have been dropping in several key markets, on the back higher petrol prices and opposition from environmental groups.
How does "opposition from environmental groups" cause the sale of SUV's to drop?
Dec 6, 2006 7:53:05 PM
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The only question is what else Porsche might have planned for all that cash. Some have postulated that Porsche, now a major VW shareholder, might spin off Audi -- and maybe even Bentley and Lamborghini -- from VW and set up a separate group, much like Ford's PAG.
How about making cars that surpasses (or at least meet) people's expectation and blows away the compeition?
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The only question is what else Porsche might have planned for all that cash. Some have postulated that Porsche, now a major VW shareholder, might spin off Audi -- and maybe even Bentley and Lamborghini -- from VW and set up a separate group, much like Ford's PAG.
How about making cars that surpasses (or at least meet) people's expectation and blows away the compeition?
Wasn't it said somewhere that Audi was planning on switching to RWD for its cars?
Dec 6, 2006 9:54:47 PM
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Cayenne sales slumped... No wonder, there was no 07MY because the restyling was coming... This is normal after 4 years and an expected model revamp. Also new X5, ML and Q7 out this year.
996 sales were pretty slow (a lot less than 986 and Cayennes) prior to the release of the 997. Further, the Cayenne has not been available in Japan for some time. Porsche Japan sold out of their allocation and as mentioned the facelift has been eagerly awaited by dealers and customers alike.
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Crash said:Wasn't it said somewhere that Audi was planning on switching to RWD for its cars?
That would be cool - they can start with the R8...
I'd be more than a little surprised if they abandoned the Quattro brand though...
They wouldn't abandon the Quattro. They would switch the basic construction of the car to RWD, which would also mean that Quattro wouldn't be mandatory on high-bhp cars (can you believe that the S8 is a FWD car at its heart?). It could also do something about that pesky front overhang. The new A6, for example, has a 1/4" shorter wheelbase than the Mercedes E class, despite being 3" longer.
Dec 7, 2006 5:51:59 AM
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Need to put P sales data in context....wealth concentration in US (and Lond) is ever-increasing 
....but would observe that YTD sales of key P competitors, like '07 SL55, Lambo, AM, etc are fairly anemic, when examining metrics like y-o-y unit sales growth/dealer discts or attractive mfr-subsidized $0 down, 2 yr leases/one-yr trade-in values....
And if F's US resale value Ponzi scheme unraveled...and 430/599 had 65/997TT-like resale value, I suspect F would struggle to even sell 1K/yr cars into US (it would simply become another version of Lambo...great mag reviews, poster material, but no sales
).....sort of like those new Enzos F struggled to sell @MSRP in certain EU mkts back in '03 or so..... 
My casual obsvn is sales of "big dog" cars (65/599/430/997TT, etc) in US are not growing as much as wealth concentration would lead one to poss predict.....perhaps w/maturation of US wealth, top-of-range, more overt cars are less interesting to repeat buyers who simply are opting for lower-key cars like S550/CL63, rather than top-of-range/more "exclusive"/more sporty cars.....which often attract a more "aspirational" buyer base anyway.... 
....but would observe that YTD sales of key P competitors, like '07 SL55, Lambo, AM, etc are fairly anemic, when examining metrics like y-o-y unit sales growth/dealer discts or attractive mfr-subsidized $0 down, 2 yr leases/one-yr trade-in values.... And if F's US resale value Ponzi scheme unraveled...and 430/599 had 65/997TT-like resale value, I suspect F would struggle to even sell 1K/yr cars into US (it would simply become another version of Lambo...great mag reviews, poster material, but no sales
).....sort of like those new Enzos F struggled to sell @MSRP in certain EU mkts back in '03 or so..... My casual obsvn is sales of "big dog" cars (65/599/430/997TT, etc) in US are not growing as much as wealth concentration would lead one to poss predict.....perhaps w/maturation of US wealth, top-of-range, more overt cars are less interesting to repeat buyers who simply are opting for lower-key cars like S550/CL63, rather than top-of-range/more "exclusive"/more sporty cars.....which often attract a more "aspirational" buyer base anyway....
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All the uber wealthy people I met don't care about cars.
About F scheme, I don't think it would affect sales that much, afterall someboby has to pay top $ for the scheme to work. It is just that a lot of people who are getting them now would not get them anymore, just the ones who can really afford it.
About F scheme, I don't think it would affect sales that much, afterall someboby has to pay top $ for the scheme to work. It is just that a lot of people who are getting them now would not get them anymore, just the ones who can really afford it.
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Need to put P sales data in context....wealth concentration in US (and Lond) is ever-increasing
And if F's US resale value Ponzi scheme unraveled...and 430/599 had 65/997TT-like resale value, I suspect F would struggle to even sell 1K/yr cars into US (it would simply become another version of Lambo...great mag reviews, poster material, but no sales
My casual obsvn is sales of "big dog" cars (65/599/430/997TT, etc) in US are not growing as much as wealth concentration would lead one to poss predict.....perhaps w/maturation of US wealth, top-of-range, more overt cars are less interesting to repeat buyers who simply are opting for lower-key cars like S550/CL63, rather than top-of-range/more "exclusive"/more sporty cars.....which often attract a more "aspirational" buyer base anyway....
Entertaining and insightful as usual!
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Need to put P sales data in context....wealth concentration in US (and Lond) is ever-increasing
And if F's US resale value Ponzi scheme unraveled...and 430/599 had 65/997TT-like resale value, I suspect F would struggle to even sell 1K/yr cars into US (it would simply become another version of Lambo...great mag reviews, poster material, but no sales
My casual obsvn is sales of "big dog" cars (65/599/430/997TT, etc) in US are not growing as much as wealth concentration would lead one to poss predict.....perhaps w/maturation of US wealth, top-of-range, more overt cars are less interesting to repeat buyers who simply are opting for lower-key cars like S550/CL63, rather than top-of-range/more "exclusive"/more sporty cars.....which often attract a more "aspirational" buyer base anyway....
Entertaining and insightful as usual!
VKSF is our resident economics guru/textual truncator
Re: Not good news re Porsche sales in the US
I am in agree with much of what you abbreviate and would add that the reason many of us are beginning to question very expensive high perf. car purchases is honestly it longer makes any sense economically or socially. Driving a high perf. car close/near its limits on public roads is very much like playing Russian Roulette. Too many unknowables any of which can get you killed or maimed.
Going to the track is safer but why would I want a $200,000 car to give me my thrills if a well modded car for less than $50,000 can do the same? At some point all of us have to question our sanity in buying these cars. Lately, I have done so and honestly do not know how much longer I want to remain afflicted with this malady.
and would add that the reason many of us are beginning to question very expensive high perf. car purchases is honestly it longer makes any sense economically or socially. Driving a high perf. car close/near its limits on public roads is very much like playing Russian Roulette. Too many unknowables any of which can get you killed or maimed. Going to the track is safer but why would I want a $200,000 car to give me my thrills if a well modded car for less than $50,000 can do the same? At some point all of us have to question our sanity in buying these cars. Lately, I have done so and honestly do not know how much longer I want to remain afflicted with this malady.
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Hey Nick,
Have you considered trying out a nice "classic" F-car (or even something like a 911 RS)?
You make an excellent point. The nice thing about these older cars is you can feel quite connected and involved in the driving experience without having to drive way past the limit of the law. Of course these old cars have a lot of drawbacks too...
I think often of my former boss who has a pretty nice stable of cars, but the one he most enjoys is his (very) slow '79 MGB.
Have you considered trying out a nice "classic" F-car (or even something like a 911 RS)?
You make an excellent point. The nice thing about these older cars is you can feel quite connected and involved in the driving experience without having to drive way past the limit of the law. Of course these old cars have a lot of drawbacks too...
I think often of my former boss who has a pretty nice stable of cars, but the one he most enjoys is his (very) slow '79 MGB.
Dec 8, 2006 10:04:32 AM
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Since when has sanity ever entered the equation when buying the objects of our passion? If I were making a purely rational decision, I would pour the cash into buying a holiday home in the French riviera. At least that asset would appreciate in value.
Nick, have you visualised what your daily life would be like WITHOUT your gorgeous F430?
Can you imagine how it would be every time you see an exotic car driving along while you're walking along the sidewalk to reach your car and you'll be thinking to yourself ' I used to have one of those'. You then arrive where your car is parked and you turn the key to open the door of your Ford Taurus.
C'mon pleease. You know this drug is in your bloodstream for life. Don't fight it. Accept it and just thank whoever you worship that you are affluent enough to support your dependency!
Nick, have you visualised what your daily life would be like WITHOUT your gorgeous F430?
Can you imagine how it would be every time you see an exotic car driving along while you're walking along the sidewalk to reach your car and you'll be thinking to yourself ' I used to have one of those'. You then arrive where your car is parked and you turn the key to open the door of your Ford Taurus.
C'mon pleease. You know this drug is in your bloodstream for life. Don't fight it. Accept it and just thank whoever you worship that you are affluent enough to support your dependency!
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I am in agree with much of what you abbreviate
Going to the track is safer but why would I want a $200,000 car to give me my thrills if a well modded car for less than $50,000 can do the same? At some point all of us have to question our sanity in buying these cars. Lately, I have done so and honestly do not know how much longer I want to remain afflicted with this malady.
Exactly why after 12 yrs of Ferrari ownership, I quit in 2001 for a dedicated track car, and enjoying a MINI for daily driving. Plus, as I get older, I want more positive experiences than simply more "stuff".
Dec 8, 2006 5:27:15 PM
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Since when has sanity ever entered the equation when buying the objects of our passion? If I were making a purely rational decision, I would pour the cash into buying a holiday home in the French riviera. At least that asset would appreciate in value.
Nick, have you visualised what your daily life would be like WITHOUT your gorgeous F430?
Can you imagine how it would be every time you see an exotic car driving along while you're walking along the sidewalk to reach your car and you'll be thinking to yourself ' I used to have one of those'. You then arrive where your car is parked and you turn the key to open the door of your Ford Taurus.
C'mon pleease. You know this drug is in your bloodstream for life. Don't fight it. Accept it and just thank whoever you worship that you are affluent enough to support your dependency!
If I decide to get out of the habit of buying high perf. sport cars, afterward when I do see one, my response will be "be there, done that"
BTW here is one reason to consider in NOT buying a powerful sport car.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_482601.html
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Since when has sanity ever entered the equation when buying the objects of our passion? If I were making a purely rational decision, I would pour the cash into buying a holiday home in the French riviera. At least that asset would appreciate in value.
Nick, have you visualised what your daily life would be like WITHOUT your gorgeous F430?
Can you imagine how it would be every time you see an exotic car driving along while you're walking along the sidewalk to reach your car and you'll be thinking to yourself ' I used to have one of those'. You then arrive where your car is parked and you turn the key to open the door of your Ford Taurus.
C'mon pleease. You know this drug is in your bloodstream for life. Don't fight it. Accept it and just thank whoever you worship that you are affluent enough to support your dependency!
If I decide to get out of the habit of buying high perf. sport cars, afterward when I do see one, my response will be "be there, done that"
BTW here is one reason to consider in NOT buying a powerful sport car.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_482601.html
Testosterone + alcohol + autos =
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Since when has sanity ever entered the equation when buying the objects of our passion? If I were making a purely rational decision, I would pour the cash into buying a holiday home in the French riviera. At least that asset would appreciate in value.
Nick, have you visualised what your daily life would be like WITHOUT your gorgeous F430?
Can you imagine how it would be every time you see an exotic car driving along while you're walking along the sidewalk to reach your car and you'll be thinking to yourself ' I used to have one of those'. You then arrive where your car is parked and you turn the key to open the door of your Ford Taurus.
C'mon pleease. You know this drug is in your bloodstream for life. Don't fight it. Accept it and just thank whoever you worship that you are affluent enough to support your dependency!
If I decide to get out of the habit of buying high perf. sport cars, afterward when I do see one, my response will be "be there, done that"
BTW here is one reason to consider in NOT buying a powerful sport car.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_482601.html
Testosterone + alcohol + autos =
You've got that right! Two drunken yuppies and 500 bhp plus very probably insomnia don't mix at all.
I very much doubt drinking was involved. Clearly speed was. 
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