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and will out perform most of the premier sport cars at a fraction of the price the Lotus Elise seems to be the car for for you. Definately a great track car. It beat the Porsche 911 by several seconds around a 2.5 mile track. Below is the LA times article on the car.
Apr 14, 2004 7:31:49 PM
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nberry said:
and will out perform most of the premier sport cars at a fraction of the price the Lotus Elise seems to be the car for for you. Definately a great track car. It beat the Porsche 911 by several seconds around a 2.5 mile track. Below is the LA times article on the car.
I know tuned Lotus Elise with more than 200 HP and they don't beat a 911 on most tracks, not to speak about the GT3 or GT2.
C'mon Nick, you can do better...
Apr 14, 2004 7:35:34 PM
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That much was clear when journalists tested the car at the new Barber Motorsports complex in Birmingham, Ala., earlier this month, where the screaming little Elise - looking like a hybrid between an anime frog and an Irwin Allen submarine - lapped the 2.3-mile track several seconds faster than a Porsche 911
Was it a Tiptronic car? Was it a car equipped with standard suspension? What tires did the Elise use for this run? What were the track conditions? For somebody who just got the Pulitzer price, this is pretty "weak" if you ask me.
Apr 14, 2004 7:54:06 PM
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For somebody who just got the Pulitzer price, this is pretty "weak" if you ask me.
Agreed, he seems to know more about writing than he does about cars. And he's writing not for enthusiasts but for people who ordinarily wouldn't read or know about cars.
The article is for entertainment, not for serious information.
Dain
Apr 14, 2004 8:18:49 PM
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Which 911? The 2.7, the 993, the 996...?
The track does not really favor a high hp car. Some of the same Porsche instructors were at the Elise launch and noted a multiple second difference in lap times. The Elise has a sports suspension option available, but I'm not sure which car is being referred to, because BOTH cars were available for test that day (most of which did not have the sport pack). Furthermore, many of the instructors used the stock package more often so that they could more easily drift.
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Grant said:
I still think the Elise cold beat a 996C2 on a tight course (like the one I drive on - my 73RS replica is 3 seconds/lap faster than my 2002 C2 there - short 1:17 time), but never on a fast course like the Nurburgring.
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Justin said:
1 min 17,4 sec? That doesn't sound so great considering Lotus's own Exige (hard top Elise, Yokohama semislicks) does it in 1 min 14,8 sec.
Anyway, I still think that Lotus is more about driving feel and involvement than anything else. On some of the back roads in my county, power advantages are worth somewhat less than at the track.
Apr 14, 2004 10:29:42 PM
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His explenation was pretty interesting: the Cayenne is so heavy that he puts so much weight on the tires in curves, he sticks to the wet pavement almost like glue. I couldn't believe my ears.
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nberry said:
Is it possible that there is a car on this planet that may be a better performer than Porsche? BTW, I believe for most tracks, this car with the minor modifications will beat the TT, Ferrari and Corvette Z06. Clearly it would not be in the same league as the CGT, Enzo or some of the other supercars.
However, I would wager that a professional driver in a Elise would beat most non professional drivers driving a CGT
). If he wants to enjoy a nice sunny day and a great engine/exhaust sound with his girl friend together, he drives his F355 Spider. This isn't a good example because it is a fact that most sportscar drivers don't know how to drive.
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RC read the article again. The writer states the Elise is a blast to drive. It has everything including the sensual aspects. He also indicates it is the most comfortable race car he has driven (assuming your not obese).
When it come to exhaust sounds, I believe Porsche fails miserably. My lawnmower sounds better. However, I will admit Porsche at least looks better.
Apr 17, 2004 11:07:23 PM
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Tpup said:
\2. My Lotus Exige, with the same hp and 200lbs less, is faster than a stock 996 (sport suspension) at Road Atlanta. I can run a 1.42 with a passenger, a pro driver (David Murry) ran a 1.39 in a Turbo and a 1.38 in a GT2 (Source: Panorama).
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Of course there are better performers than Porsche out there. But I think it is the whole package which counts.
Take the Elise: you drive it on the track, you drive it on the street and then you drive it straight to the garage. No real bad weather capability, no fun in the city, no real interior room (I drove an Opel Speedster Turbo...actually a rebadged Lotus...last year and my wife wanted to get out after 5 minutes), I could continue my list.
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