Re: Finally...Cargraphic is releasing 997 Turbo Sport Exhaus
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atomic80 said:
Yes, you could say that tuner "A" has extensively tested their products and they have a long history of racing expertise or you could say that tuner "B" is not good because they haven't done extensive testing. There are just so many variables to think about when looking for a good tuner. I'm just surprised to hear you tell us that it's okay to use the system from RS-Tuning after sharing with us your opinions earlier, "Wait with ANY aftermarket mods until the car is on the street for a couple of months, better 12 months." It hasn't even been 12 months yet. So when is it okay to take a "leap of faith" in choosing a system for your car? I'm playing the "waiting" game myself.
Yes, I agree. This is why I'm still waiting...especially when it comes to engine mods. Even if RS-Tuning comes up with a ready-to-go kit tomorrow, I would still wait another 6 months or so until I would go for it. Let other owners be the guinea pig, sh.t ALWAYS happens with tuned cars and luckily, RS-Tuning is learning fast and Mr. Reinhold Schmirler, the "brain" behind the tuning is a real genius and figures out possible problems very very fast.
Even better: RS-Tuning is only 40 km away from my home.
I can't always recommend them to customers who live far away, simply because the brother of Mr. Reinhold Schmirler, Gerhard, is a little bit "difficult" to deal with from time to time. On the other hand, RS-Tuning is the first address when it comes to first class tuning. They don't have a fancy company building like Techart or Gemballa and they surely don't know to make friendship and talk you into something like Alois Ruf but they deliver first class quality and I will NEVER understand why they never tried to make more out of it like companies like Gemballa or Techart did for example. You should see Reinhold Schmirler in his office...the workshop. Dirty with oil with a smile on his face and always very fascinated by every car entering his workshop. I really like this guy, he has fuel in his blood, like in those classic car racing movies. You rarely see such people anymore.
To get back to the Cargraphic exhaust: Cargraphic is "only" a dealer in Germany, they're not really a tuner like Gemballa or Techart. They sell very good products and they always seem to choose first class manufacturers. Cargraphic also sells RS-Tuning engine kits and H&R coilover kits, so Cargraphic, RS-Tuning and H&R are actually THE players regarding the 911 Turbo. Mr. Remmen, one of the owners of H&R, actually owns and owned various tuned 911 Turbo, so the kits from H&R are always topnotch stuff.
Unfortunately these are things known only to "insiders" and freaks over here in Germany, very sad.
The Cargraphic exhaust has been developed together with RS-Tuning and is manufactured by the UK company Phoenix as far as I remember, a company which manufactures the Cup exhaust systems for Porsche. Of course I don't know if it won't "harm" my 997 Turbo but since I know RS-Tuning and Cargraphic very well, I highly doubt it and I'm willing to take the risk. The exhaust incl. the double exhaust pipes is around 5000 Euro plus install, quality doesn't come cheap.
Regarding the engine tuning, I repeat it again: even if RS-Tuning would be ready with their kit, I wouldn't do it yet because I don't have 30000 Euro for a new engine.
Am I taking a risk regarding the exhaust from Cargraphic? Definetely yes, I'm not naive. Is the risk very high? I don't think so. Despite the good reputation of Cargraphic and RS-Tuning, Cargraphic provides a LIFETIME warranty for the exhaust, two years for the catalytic converters and I know that if something goes wrong, I have somebody I can talk to (this of course is only an advantage for ME since I live only 40 km away from RS-Tuning).
For those who don't know who RS-Tuning is, they're practically one of the best racing engine builders for "classic" 911 engines (964, 993, 996 GT3/GT2/Turbo, 997 GT3/Turbo/GT3RS) along with Manthey maybe.
Gemballa, Techart, Ruf and all these nice names don't do professional racing like the one RS-Tuning and Manthey are involved with. I actually never heard that Ruf or Gemballa did ANY professional racing at all.
Like I said before: I'm not talking about Formula One racing but about racing with modded 911 cars, so RS-Tuning and Manthey definetely have a HUGE experience with these engines.
Bloody expensive if you ask me.
