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Oct 21, 2006 4:04:12 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005

M3 or Cayman 2.7

Guys, I need your help. A good friend of mine is looking to get a new car, for his budget (AUD 160,000) he has basically two options. He is a real sports fan and needs the extra space of the Cayman over the Boxster.

In his budget he has two options, the Cayman 2.7 OR the BMW M3 (current model) both cars are the same price in Sydney, Australia and are optioned quite similarly. I am a P car fan and to me its a no brainer - save some cash and get a 997 like me : ) however, he needs a car and the 997 is way too much money in Sydney.

I would really appreciate comments of any current or Ex M3 owners who can comment on what they think OR anyone who has driven both cars to a good extent to comment on what they think.

I know we are all P car fans but lets be reasonable and consider the plus points and minus points of each car.

So the question is which car:

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Oct 21, 2006 6:27:43 PM

Michael Russell: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 109, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 26, 2003; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

I have just traded in my 2002 e46 M3 on a new yet to be delivered Cayman S. While looking at Cayman's and Boxsters I had a chance to drive the standard 2.7 Cayman. It is a fantastic car. Yes, it is a good bit slower in a straight line than the 2.7 will be, but I will tell you this, it is a superior car dynamically. I owned my M3 for only about 7 months, and as good a car as the M3 is, it really is not that "fun". I think my two biggest gripes with the car were its weight, and its numb steering. Steering feel is masivley important to me, and the M3 has very little. That always bothered me.

I would take the cayman. It is just more fun.

Michael

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Oct 21, 2006 10:14:17 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: Michael Russell

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Thanks for the comments Michael. I have never driven a M3 but I have found that all the BMW's I have driven to be slightly lacking in the steering department.

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Oct 21, 2006 11:35:29 PM

Woolfe: Pilot; Loc: Western Australia; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2006; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

I have been looking at the same comparison.

In Perth a Base 2.7 Cayman on the road is Oz$ 130,000 so you would have to compare with a 2004 - 2005 second hand M3. I have also been looking at the 335i which is Oz$ 123k on the road.

Anyway IMHO if you want a sports car you would go for the Cayman but if you do not then....

Porsche Australia is offering some finance incentives to clear Boxster and Cayman stock in the form of reduced interest. Somehow I don't think they are selling many new cars.

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Oct 21, 2006 11:44:58 PM

amazon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 2110, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 5, 2004; Reply to: Woolfe

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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Woolfe said:
I have been looking at the same comparison.

In Perth a Base 2.7 Cayman on the road is Oz$ 130,000 so you would have to compare with a 2004 - 2005 second hand M3. I have also been looking at the 335i which is Oz$ 123k on the road.

Anyway IMHO if you want a sports car you would go for the Cayman but if you do not then....

Porsche Australia is offering some finance incentives to clear Boxster and Cayman stock in the form of reduced interest. Somehow I don't think they are selling many new cars.

If you have to buy now,the I'd get the cayman. If you can wait a bit, just wait for the new M3 and it's V8.

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Oct 22, 2006 1:35:54 AM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: Woolfe

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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Woolfe said:
I have been looking at the same comparison.

In Perth a Base 2.7 Cayman on the road is Oz$ 130,000 so you would have to compare with a 2004 - 2005 second hand M3. I have also been looking at the 335i which is Oz$ 123k on the road.

Anyway IMHO if you want a sports car you would go for the Cayman but if you do not then....

Porsche Australia is offering some finance incentives to clear Boxster and Cayman stock in the form of reduced interest. Somehow I don't think they are selling many new cars.

Thanks for the comments Woolfe - have you decided yet on what to get?

The Cayman is the same price in NSW BUT, with Sat Nav, Xenons, Alloys and all the extra's that come with the M3 the price is up at AUD 160,000!!! For that sort of money I would just whack in another AUD 40,000 and get a 997 BUT, my mates companies paying for his motor and he doesn't want to put too much in himself.

He said that the interest from Porsche Parramatta was the same as BMW finance - what sort of interest rates have you heard of?

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Oct 22, 2006 1:39:22 AM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: amazon

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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amazon said:
Quote:
Woolfe said:
I have been looking at the same comparison.

In Perth a Base 2.7 Cayman on the road is Oz$ 130,000 so you would have to compare with a 2004 - 2005 second hand M3. I have also been looking at the 335i which is Oz$ 123k on the road.

Anyway IMHO if you want a sports car you would go for the Cayman but if you do not then....

Porsche Australia is offering some finance incentives to clear Boxster and Cayman stock in the form of reduced interest. Somehow I don't think they are selling many new cars.

If you have to buy now,the I'd get the cayman. If you can wait a bit, just wait for the new M3 and it's V8.

The V8 will be a monster but he needs to get a car within the next week or two.

Incidentally, he did try the 335i and says it absolutely rocks. My mate is no stranger to speed, when he has visited me in Tokyo, I have let him drive a 360 F1, Porsche 996, 997, Lamborghini Gallardo and an Aston Martin DB9. He rides a Yamaha R1 as well and the 335i got him VERY excited. I will try one myself in the next week as well.

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Oct 22, 2006 11:01:38 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

If your friend truly appreciates what makes a great driver's car then it's no contest, it would have to be the Cayman. If he's used to the performance of an M3 above all else get the M3. Just remember that a Porsche feels special all the time, a BMW well, just doesn't.

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Oct 22, 2006 5:27:56 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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dreamcar said:
If your friend truly appreciates what makes a great driver's car then it's no contest, it would have to be the Cayman. If he's used to the performance of an M3 above all else get the M3. Just remember that a Porsche feels special all the time, a BMW well, just doesn't.

My sentiments precisely, I just cannot get excited about ANY BMW - regardless of the performance or how cheap it might be! The new V8 is probably going to be faster than a 997 by all accounts but I know I won't be buying it!

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Oct 25, 2006 10:08:35 AM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

This poll is pretty close! The finance on the M3 is looking better than the P car - still not decided yet though

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Oct 25, 2006 12:14:21 PM

devo: Veteran; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 1107, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 31, 2006; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

I'd pick the M-3 every time. IMHO, it's superior in every way. I've owned two and absolutely loved them. Great power, handling and brakes. The Cayman is beatifully crafted, but, underpowered and the resale is terrible.
When you factor in a phenomenal resale record the M-3 becomes hard to beat. Of course, I'd wait for the E90 M-3: 420 hp V8...yum.

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Oct 25, 2006 2:35:43 PM

MAVERICK: Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH (USA) , United States; Posts: 1145, Gallery; Registered on: May 31, 2004; Reply to: devo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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devo said:
it's superior in every way. Great brakes.

A BMW with better brakes than a Porsche? Would you please elaborate?

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Oct 25, 2006 2:50:26 PM

devo: Veteran; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 1107, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 31, 2006; Reply to: MAVERICK

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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MAVERICK said:
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devo said:
it's superior in every way. Great brakes.

A BMW with better brakes than a Porsche? Would you please elaborate?

Oops, my bad. Obviously, the Porsche has better brakes. I just meant that the BMW performs very well against the Cayman. The Cayman is a great car. I'm just a little sour with porsche regarding horsepower and resale.

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Oct 25, 2006 10:24:20 PM

Woolfe: Pilot; Loc: Western Australia; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2006; Reply to: devo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Dont forget there are different Markets for the car and this is an international forum.

If you go to Australian Car Web Site you will see what the resale and new value of cars are in Australia.

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Oct 26, 2006 3:59:21 AM

mlin: Co-Pilot; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 159, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 13, 2006; Reply to: Woolfe

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Porky Tokyo, I'm a little confused, as according to Woolfe the choice is between a brand new Cayman and a second hand (2004-2005) M3.
If this is the case, a second hand M3 I assume would have been driven hard and fast, not a good idea to buy, if the alternative is a new Porsche Cayman with no unknowns.

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Oct 26, 2006 4:16:08 AM

Schemeloong: Co-Pilot; Loc: Hong Kong; Posts: 233, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 12, 2005; Reply to: mlin

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Tough one I would pick neither...

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Oct 26, 2006 12:31:42 PM

Woolfe: Pilot; Loc: Western Australia; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2006; Reply to: Schemeloong

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Reading Porky's original message a budget of 160 k could probably get a new low spec Cayman S or a new M3 (there are still a couple available here)

I would still go for the Cayman if you want a sports car.

What would you get Schemeloong?

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Oct 26, 2006 2:31:47 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: Woolfe

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Thanks for the clearing that up Woolfe, incidentally, i drove a Cayman S today - being a long time 911 owner I was very very impressed! That thing rocks!

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Oct 26, 2006 5:53:58 PM

mlin: Co-Pilot; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 159, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 13, 2006; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Cayman 2.7 - AUD 118 000
Cayman S - AUD 148 500
M3 - AUD 140 000

So why M3 or Cayman 2.7?
Your friend has AUD 160 000, why not M3 or Cayman S?

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Oct 26, 2006 9:50:08 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: mlin

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

If your friend even considers a 2dr BMW sedan over a Porsche he should just get the BMW.

The BMW is really not a sports car at all. Any Cayman, even one with snow tires and a missing spark plug,is more fun to drive than a any 2dr sedan.

Porsches better steering,lower roll center,lower center of gravity and its well engineered and controlled weight transferance under hard braking make it more fun to drive
than any sedan could ever possibly be.

If he cant understand that - he has limited skills and experience and should just get a sedan, any sedan.

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Oct 26, 2006 9:55:35 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: mlin

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Description No. Price
Cayman S A$ 148,500.00

Optional
Exterior Colour Arctic Silver Metallic X1 A$ 1,890.00
Interior Colour Leather interior in sand beigeTG A$ 4,490.00

Exterior
Bi-Xenon lighting system P74 A$ 2,290.00
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor P12 A$ 1,150.00

Engine / Chassis
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) 475 A$ 4,490.00

Wheels
19 inch Sport Design wheel 407 A$ 5,250.00

Interior
Sports seats P77 A$ 1,690.00
Heated seats 342 A$ 1,090.00
Floor mats 810 A$ 290.00

Interior Leather
Thicker three-spoke sports steering wheel in smooth leatherXPA A$ 2,390.00

Audio & Communication
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including extended navigation module P23 A$ 7,690.00
Telephone module for PCM 666 A$ 2,190.00
BOSE(R) Surround Sound System 680 A$ 1,990.00

Grand Total : A$ 185,390

However, there is also a Stamp Duty that is applicable looking at the Oz dealers sites, approximately A$ 6,000 or so and I didn't include the Park Assist which is included in the new M3 for AUD 160,000

So, the basic car might only be A$148,500 but when you add a few options that bring it on par the M3 the price starts to get quite high.

I would rather have a naked Porsche than a tarted up M3 - but thats me!

Also, notice the below links, even the used Cayman S' with about 7,000 - 9,000 Km and only one or two options are going for A$150,000 PLUS the stamp duty.

http://www.porschesydneysouth.com.au/default2.asp?active_page_id=88

http://www.porschemelbourne.com.au/

You will need to goto the used or demo cars for prices.

At any rate, I have shared your comments with him and he is getting a free PDE day through my introduction - since I am long time Porsche owner and fan.

If he is not impressed at the PDE - he doesn't deserve to be behind the wheel of a P car : )

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Oct 27, 2006 5:12:31 AM

Woolfe: Pilot; Loc: Western Australia; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2006; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

I would be very happy with a Cayman S without the Bling

Here is the spec i would have
New
Cayman s
148,500
Delivery 3,500
Duty 9,652.50
Sport Seat 2,190
Park assist 1,090
Shifter 1,490
Mob Ph 890

Oz $167,313

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Oct 27, 2006 5:16:24 AM

Woolfe: Pilot; Loc: Western Australia; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2006; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Quote:
Porky Tokyo said:
Thanks for the clearing that up Woolfe, incidentally, i drove a Cayman S today - being a long time 911 owner I was very very impressed! That thing rocks!

Wow i am impressed

Could you give bit more of a review?

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Oct 27, 2006 6:00:49 AM

Shakal: Expert; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 1375, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

My choice would be:

If this is mine only car, I would chose M3 - it is great dialy car, and it is very fast too.

If I have another dialy car, and this car is second car, I would defenetly chose Cayman. Mybie M3 is faster, but Porsche is Porsche

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Oct 27, 2006 7:38:43 AM

mlin: Co-Pilot; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 159, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 13, 2006; Reply to: Woolfe

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Quote:
Woolfe said:
I would be very happy with a Cayman S without the Bling

Here is the spec i would have
New
Cayman s
148,500
Delivery 3,500
Duty 9,652.50
Sport Seat 2,190
Park assist 1,090
Shifter 1,490
Mob Ph 890

Oz $167,313

Hey Woolfe, that would be a great Cayman S. I'd drop the park assist and get a sport steering wheel to go with your sports seats and shifter though.

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Oct 27, 2006 4:31:04 PM

Porky Tokyo: Senior; Loc: Tokyo, Japan; Posts: 617, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 8, 2005; Reply to: Woolfe

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Quote:
Woolfe said:
Quote:
Porky Tokyo said:
Thanks for the clearing that up Woolfe, incidentally, i drove a Cayman S today - being a long time 911 owner I was very very impressed! That thing rocks!

Wow i am impressed

Could you give bit more of a review?

Bad news, my mate ordered the M3 today! Oh well, he'll learn one day. When I move to Sydney I am getting a new 997S (current car is LHD) and we will take the Mrs 987S from Tokyo! He will naturally regret his decision then

Woolfe, will write a bit more on the Cayman S later.

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Oct 27, 2006 10:50:11 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: Porky Tokyo

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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Porky Tokyo said:
Quote:
Woolfe said:
Quote:
Porky Tokyo said:
Thanks for the clearing that up Woolfe, incidentally, i drove a Cayman S today - being a long time 911 owner I was very very impressed! That thing rocks!

Wow i am impressed

Could you give bit more of a review?

Bad news, my mate ordered the M3 today! Oh well, he'll learn one day. When I move to Sydney I am getting a new 997S (current car is LHD) and we will take the Mrs 987S from Tokyo! He will naturally regret his decision then

Woolfe, will write a bit more on the Cayman S later.

M3 ,, would have been my choice out of those 2 also .. The Cayman body shape just does not do it for me ,,jmo.....

throt...

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Oct 28, 2006 7:14:26 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: throt

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

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throt said:
M3 ,, would have been my choice out of those 2 also .. The Cayman body shape just does not do it for me ,,jmo.....
throt...

throt you must never, ever say on the Cayman board that you don't like the car or even hint that it's not perfect, or the not the best drivers car in the Porsche range or amazing value for money. Certain people here don't like it.

You may get away with it with a bit of luck as hopefully most of that type left with their tail between their legs and gone to cayman.net. This board has improved immeasurably as a result, I might add.

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Oct 28, 2006 10:30:34 AM

Woolfe: Pilot; Loc: Western Australia; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: May 21, 2006; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

Just read a GT Porsche magazine here and they do not exacly rave about the base 2.7l Cayman

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Oct 28, 2006 10:31:01 AM

wtsnet: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bath, UK; Posts: 2430, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 19, 2004; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: M3 or Cayman 2.7

How about a 335i rather than an M3? Cheaper, better economy, and probably faster in real-world driving (ie, not having to rev the nuts off it). Probably less frequent service interval as well.

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