Are Porsche selling many Caymans?
BTW when I drove the 997S/997 back to back with the Cayman S I really enjoyed the Cayman....but i thought it was a little over priced.
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RC said:
Like it or not, the Cayman never has been accepted by the Porsche "community" as a "true" Porsche. Porsche has chosen the name "Cayman" and made a huge mistake since the Boxster is well "accepted" by the Porsche community and the name Boxster Coupe would have been the better choice in my opinion, or even better: a number combination like 912 for example.
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EricAlain said:
Here are some HARD facts:
During FY 05-06 (Aug 05-July 06), Porsche sold (worldwide):
Cayman : 14,002 units
Boxster : 13,904 units
2 remarks:
a) The Cayman S was introduced in November 05 in Europe and in January 06 in North America.
b) The regular Cayman was launched in July 06 in Europe and in NA.
Bottom line the Cayman has been more or less only 6 month on the market in FY 05-06 and acheived sales equivalent to those of the Boxster.
North America (US + CAN)
Jan 06: 1,048
Feb 06: 566
March 06: 592
April 06: 699
May 06: 587
June 06 : 442
July 06: 650 (incl 195 Regular Cayman)
Aug 06: 548 (incl 181 Regular)
Sept 06: 494 (incl 194 Regular)
Therefore I wouldn't say the Cayman is a slow seller ....
Oct 20, 2006 2:47:40 PM
Oct 20, 2006 2:53:02 PM
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Oct 20, 2006 10:30:14 PM
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mlin said:
"Like it or not, the Cayman never has been accepted by the Porsche "community" as a "true" Porsche."
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RC said:
The Cayman has two "problems" in my opinion, although it is a very nice sportscar and a true Porsche:
... 3. the Cayman didn't succeed as a "poor man's 911" because it doesn't have the heritage of the 911 ...
... The fate of the Cayman lies in the future sales figures over the next 12 months. If sales figures don't improve significantly, I doubt that the Cayman will make it into the next decade.
Like it or not, the Cayman never has been accepted by the Porsche "community" as a "true" Porsche.
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My small dealer had three or four Cayman S available for immediate delivery, this is insane.
... Not to speak about the reputation of the Cayman amongst "hardcore" Porsche lovers which would rather accept a Cayenne than a Cayman.
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JimFlat6 said:
RC makes some intersting points. I think they are valid and truthful.
The Caymans recent tested 'Ring lap times show it to not be the top uber handler model of the 987 Kingdom that Porsche and the media proclaimed. In that sense - it fails the "true" Porsche test that the Factory and press touted. It is not the 904 of the new millenium as they had implied -it is not a performance leap ahead of a Boxster - it is not more of a sportscar than a Boxster and offers nothing more than more noise and a small dose of relative claustophobia.
Look at any US dealer inventory and you will see many in stock. Early adaptors bought them on good faith - but now
the Cayman has no sales legs,public cache or buzz. It is
"just there" and dealers are being forced to buy them to get more popular models in stock.
On its own its a good sports car. But the Cayman compared to a Boxster makes no sense, especially if the Boxster has the optional hardtop. The value and performance are not in the Cayman for the extra money demanded.
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RC said:
If the 998 or whatever its called doesn't come out as mid-engined, IMHO Porsche is making a huge mistake. Time for it to come out of the dark ages trying to make a lead weight on the rear of the car, by using technology, handle like a mid-engined car.
I could not agree more. Regardless of the "community", with the little mods I have my croc is able to match the performance of a carrera S o better, and the fun factor by having the mid engine configuration is fantastic. I do have to admit that I see the 911 as our big brother, someone that I must respect, be polite, kind and gentle, respect its age, but when its time to have some fun, I leave that to the crocscter crowd
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mlin said:Quote:
JimFlat6 said:
RC makes some intersting points. I think they are valid and truthful.
The Caymans recent tested 'Ring lap times show it to not be the top uber handler model of the 987 Kingdom that Porsche and the media proclaimed. In that sense - it fails the "true" Porsche test that the Factory and press touted. It is not the 904 of the new millenium as they had implied -it is not a performance leap ahead of a Boxster - it is not more of a sportscar than a Boxster and offers nothing more than more noise and a small dose of relative claustophobia.
Look at any US dealer inventory and you will see many in stock. Early adaptors bought them on good faith - but now
the Cayman has no sales legs,public cache or buzz. It is
"just there" and dealers are being forced to buy them to get more popular models in stock.
On its own its a good sports car. But the Cayman compared to a Boxster makes no sense, especially if the Boxster has the optional hardtop. The value and performance are not in the Cayman for the extra money demanded.
Some people just don't get it. That "noise" happens to come from a Porsche engine and that roof over your head is what we call a coupe.
A Boxster with an optional hardtop is not a coupe!
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Oxonian said:
Porsche will salvage the Cayman once they bump up the HP and reduce the weight a bit. This can only happen once the 997 mkII is out.
Furthermore, I clearly remember the days when the Boxster was not accepted by the press as a 'true' Porsche. After a bit of time, the Boxster got 'accepted' by the community as a real Porsche. I presume the Cayman is heading towards similar success. Just needs a bit of time.
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JimFlat6 said:Quote:
mlin said:Quote:
JimFlat6 said:
RC makes some intersting points. I think they are valid and truthful.
The Caymans recent tested 'Ring lap times show it to not be the top uber handler model of the 987 Kingdom that Porsche and the media proclaimed. In that sense - it fails the "true" Porsche test that the Factory and press touted. It is not the 904 of the new millenium as they had implied -it is not a performance leap ahead of a Boxster - it is not more of a sportscar than a Boxster and offers nothing more than more noise and a small dose of relative claustophobia.
Look at any US dealer inventory and you will see many in stock. Early adaptors bought them on good faith - but now
the Cayman has no sales legs,public cache or buzz. It is
"just there" and dealers are being forced to buy them to get more popular models in stock.
On its own its a good sports car. But the Cayman compared to a Boxster makes no sense, especially if the Boxster has the optional hardtop. The value and performance are not in the Cayman for the extra money demanded.
Some people just don't get it. That "noise" happens to come from a Porsche engine and that roof over your head is what we call a coupe.
A Boxster with an optional hardtop is not a coupe!
1. The additional noise is just - more noise. It doesnt sound any better. The exhaust note is the same.
2. The Boxster with a detachable hard top costs less than a Cayman with no convertible option.
3. Porsche hyped the Cayman as the "true" sporting model of the 987 line. Its not.
4. Items 1-3 are all true. Please "get it."
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EricAlain said:
Here are some HARD facts:
During FY 05-06 (Aug 05-July 06), Porsche sold (worldwide):
Cayman : 14,002 units
Boxster : 13,904 units
2 remarks:
a) The Cayman S was introduced in November 05 in Europe and in January 06 in North America.
b) The regular Cayman was launched in July 06 in Europe and in NA.
Bottom line the Cayman has been more or less only 6 month on the market in FY 05-06 and acheived sales equivalent to those of the Boxster.
North America (US + CAN)
Jan 06: 1,048
Feb 06: 566
March 06: 592
April 06: 699
May 06: 587
June 06 : 442
July 06: 650 (incl 195 Regular Cayman)
Aug 06: 548 (incl 181 Regular)
Sept 06: 494 (incl 194 Regular)
Therefore I wouldn't say the Cayman is a slow seller ....
Oct 21, 2006 6:30:48 PM
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nberry said:Quote:
EricAlain said:
Here are some HARD facts:
During FY 05-06 (Aug 05-July 06), Porsche sold (worldwide):
Cayman : 14,002 units
Boxster : 13,904 units
2 remarks:
a) The Cayman S was introduced in November 05 in Europe and in January 06 in North America.
b) The regular Cayman was launched in July 06 in Europe and in NA.
Bottom line the Cayman has been more or less only 6 month on the market in FY 05-06 and acheived sales equivalent to those of the Boxster.
North America (US + CAN)
Jan 06: 1,048
Feb 06: 566
March 06: 592
April 06: 699
May 06: 587
June 06 : 442
July 06: 650 (incl 195 Regular Cayman)
Aug 06: 548 (incl 181 Regular)
Sept 06: 494 (incl 194 Regular)
Therefore I wouldn't say the Cayman is a slow seller ....
Eric prior to the Cayman introduction what was the highest yearly sales total of Boxster's ?
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JimFlat6 said:Quote:
mlin said:Quote:
JimFlat6 said:
RC makes some intersting points. I think they are valid and truthful.
The Caymans recent tested 'Ring lap times show it to not be the top uber handler model of the 987 Kingdom that Porsche and the media proclaimed. In that sense - it fails the "true" Porsche test that the Factory and press touted. It is not the 904 of the new millenium as they had implied -it is not a performance leap ahead of a Boxster - it is not more of a sportscar than a Boxster and offers nothing more than more noise and a small dose of relative claustophobia.
Look at any US dealer inventory and you will see many in stock. Early adaptors bought them on good faith - but now
the Cayman has no sales legs,public cache or buzz. It is
"just there" and dealers are being forced to buy them to get more popular models in stock.
On its own its a good sports car. But the Cayman compared to a Boxster makes no sense, especially if the Boxster has the optional hardtop. The value and performance are not in the Cayman for the extra money demanded.
Some people just don't get it. That "noise" happens to come from a Porsche engine and that roof over your head is what we call a coupe.
A Boxster with an optional hardtop is not a coupe!
1. The additional noise is just - more noise. It doesnt sound any better. The exhaust note is the same.
2. The Boxster with a detachable hard top costs less than a Cayman with no convertible option.
3. Porsche hyped the Cayman as the "true" sporting model of the 987 line. Its not.
4. Items 1-3 are all true. Please "get it."