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Oct 11, 2006 7:28:05 PM

dankir: Newbie; Loc: Canada; Posts: 32, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006

Corvette Z06 quality??

Uhhhhh I'm not too sure about GMs quality control check this video out. 70k for 500BHP is sick indeed but umm you hear the noise the roof is making while its flapping in the wind now the Lambo and the two F430s in the background those are sexy!

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/109561/Z06_Quality.avi

Here is another clip of the same guy racing his Z06 vs a Ford GT

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/8623/C6Z06_vs_FordGT.wmv

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Oct 11, 2006 7:47:51 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: dankir

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

ouch!!! and why are you guys laughing? thats the convertible z06!! manual folding top...

great quality indeed

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Oct 11, 2006 8:19:56 PM

Congaman: Junior; Loc: Sweden, Göteborg; Posts: 57, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2006; Reply to: dankir

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

Kind of old news....the roof delamination hit a short VIN-serie of the Z06. Embarassing but not very serious.

Most cars are hit by quality problems now and then. If you have any interest in cars you know of the exploding motors in Audi S4 and BMW M3, exhausts falling of Porsche 997 Carreras causing a recall, collapsing SMG's on BMW M5 (E60), cooking clutches on Ferrari 360......

I could go on but I think you got my point....so what was your point? To trash talk the Corvette? Well, [beep] happens and it happens to everyone as you can see. Things like this shouldn't happen to high dollar cars, but still it does.

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Oct 11, 2006 8:24:35 PM

ocnatv: Junior; Loc: ca, usa; Posts: 84, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 24, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

I think the roof problem on the Z06's is embarrasing just because of the nature of the problem. However, i'm pretty sure when new models come out there is always problems in the first yr production run that are quickly recalled by the manf. By the way the roof on my Z06 is solid. And all the poor quality materials in the car sure are light...ouch

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Oct 11, 2006 8:31:08 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: ocnatv

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

congaman..i can understand what u r saying, but what shocks me is not the detaching roof, i am sure that a small batch of car was affected and that they are already fixed, but its the quality of the roof! its as thin as paper!!how much do you have to compromise to save a kg to gain a mph? i find it unnacceptable! just imagine, the car rolling over , there is nothing to protect you from any small stone...
just my 2 cents...

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Oct 11, 2006 8:33:24 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

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dhayek said:
congaman..i can understand what u r saying, but what shocks me is not the detaching roof, i am sure that a small batch of car was affected and that they are already fixed, but its the quality of the roof! its as thin as paper!!how much do you have to compromise to save a kg to gain a mph? i find it unnacceptable! just imagine, the car rolling over , there is nothing to protect you from any small stone...
just my 2 cents...

There is an aluminum/magnesium roll cage structure. The roof skin itself doesn't protect you much in any car - and look at all the convertible sportscars - I wouldn't rely on a piece of fabric to protect you...

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Oct 11, 2006 8:35:50 PM

355Spider: Co-Pilot; Loc: Dallas, Texas , United States; Posts: 277, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2006; Reply to: ocnatv

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

Yeah that's pretty small potatoes for a new car. I won't even get into Porsche's goofs and recalls in the past there are so many. The TT has had more than it's fair share of problems along the years. Even Toyota recently recalled about a million cars. Happens to everyone. Personally my Z06 has been more reliable than either one of my M3 were. I have 9K on the clock and it has run flawlessly. No squeeks or rattles either. It's a well put together car that they have used mid grade materials on. My BMWs were hi grade materials but I don't think they were put together as well. My 355 was more reliable than either on of my M3s as well. Go figure.

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Oct 11, 2006 8:38:02 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Grant

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

grant ,do you think on a roll over , the passemger of a spider is as safe as in a coupe? i dont think so... do you know any porsche , ferrari,lamborghini or any major european manufacturer that would install such a thin roof on a coupe?

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Oct 11, 2006 8:38:36 PM

355Spider: Co-Pilot; Loc: Dallas, Texas , United States; Posts: 277, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

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dhayek said:
congaman..i can understand what u r saying, but what shocks me is not the detaching roof, i am sure that a small batch of car was affected and that they are already fixed, but its the quality of the roof! its as thin as paper!!how much do you have to compromise to save a kg to gain a mph? i find it unnacceptable! just imagine, the car rolling over , there is nothing to protect you from any small stone...
just my 2 cents...

The skin on any part of the car is not for protection. It's the frame and crumple zones that save lives, not the thin sheet metal. You think the 3 LB carbon fiber door off of a Murcielago is going to stop a car? No way. The frame of the door might though.

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Oct 11, 2006 8:40:27 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: dhayek

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dhayek said:
grant ,do you think on a roll over , the passemger of a spider is as safe as in a coupe? i dont think so... do you know any porsche , ferrari,lamborghini or any major european manufacturer that would install such a thin roof on a coupe?

No, I think a coupe is safer, but some of the modern spiders with good roll hoops are safer than older coupes...

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Oct 11, 2006 8:41:55 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: 355Spider

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355Spider said:
My 355 was more reliable than either on of my M3s as well. Go figure.

what???

a 355 more reliable than a 3 series??? thats a world premier for me.. you were lucky wth your 355 , mine had to visit the repair shop every month.. and my former m3 smg run 30000km with oil change only..

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Oct 11, 2006 8:49:20 PM

355Spider: Co-Pilot; Loc: Dallas, Texas , United States; Posts: 277, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

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dhayek said:
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355Spider said:
My 355 was more reliable than either on of my M3s as well. Go figure.

what??? a 355 more reliable than a 3 series??? thats a world premier for me.. you were lucky wth your 355 , mine had to visit the repair shop every month.. and my former m3 smg run 30000km with oil change only..

I think I was really lucky. Mine didn't have 1 repair in 3.5 yrs. It ran perfect. I drove it regularly though.

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Oct 11, 2006 8:53:12 PM

Congaman: Junior; Loc: Sweden, Göteborg; Posts: 57, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

Oooops...recall for Lambo Gallardo 2006....bad one that could cause crashes..

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/lamborghini/lamborghini_gallardo.htm

dhayek; the roof skin does nothing for protection....You seem like a guy with some car experience so I'm surprised you don't know this.

If you are concerned by safty I can't understand why you drive a Lambo (is it a Gallardo o Murcielago?)....did you see the pictures of the Murcielago that flipped over....the driver and passenger were burnt alive as the doors couldn't open due to the construction of the doors.....now how about that....The pictures are horrible so I will not post them. If you are interested you should find them by doing a google.

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Oct 11, 2006 9:16:23 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Congaman

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

conga..i drive a gallardo,and do care a lot for safety,one of the reason the G convinced me over the 430 is the awd and the 4 airbags .if audi didnt own lambo i would have never purchased it. i believe in standards , i owned all kind of supercars , and none had this kind of roof, that thin. it may have nothing to do with safety, i cant tell, i am just assuming that if it was so irelevant most of our cars would have been this way, surely practical when we know how much the weight have become an issue with high end manufacturers.
as for the recall you are refering too, i am not making a recall race

...actually i was joking about the convertible z06 , but you are taking it too personally , i dont have shares in both companies

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i do respect a lot the z06, a clear american tour de force along with the gt40 , a few decades have passed without a proper american muscle car and the Z was great to the competition because it is forcing them to move further with their cars. i personally dont like the design ofthe Z, not my cup of tea,i prefer the gt40 design wise , but no doubt the Z in the cheapest HP available.

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Oct 11, 2006 9:34:31 PM

Congaman: Junior; Loc: Sweden, Göteborg; Posts: 57, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

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dhayek said:
conga..i drive a gallardo,and do care a lot for safety,one of the reason the G convinced me over the 430 is the awd and the 4 airbags .if audi didnt own lambo i would have never purchased it. i believe in standards , i owned all kind of supercars , and none had this kind of roof, that thin. it may have nothing to do with safety, i cant tell, i am just assuming that if it was so irelevant most of our cars would have been this way, surely practical when we know how much the weight have become an issue with high end manufacturers.
as for the recall you are refering too, i am not making a recall race ...actually i was joking about the convertible z06 , but you are taking it too personally , i dont have shares in both companies .
i do respect a lot the z06, a clear american tour de force along with the gt40 , a few decades have passed without a proper american muscle car and the Z was great to the competition because it is forcing them to move further with their cars. i personally dont like the design ofthe Z, not my cup of tea,i prefer the gt40 design wise , but no doubt the Z in the cheapest HP available.

No,no I'm not taking anything personal. I'm the first to admit that the flying roof is embarassing to the Z06 crowd.

But still it's not to hard to understand why someone takes the time to create a thread like this. You don't see any threads about the recalls and quality issues of Lamborghini, Porsche, BMW and so on....although these cars have issues that are realy bad for safty.....so the only reason left for the thread is to trash talk the Corvette....that is allowed off cause but the creator will have to stand that someone shoots back at him

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Oct 11, 2006 9:57:30 PM

01Box06Z06: Pilot; Loc: Pennsylvania, USA; Posts: 300, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2006; Reply to: Congaman

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

Yes, it was embarassing, but recalls have been issued and my car was taken care of. They use a different adhesive for the roof now. Saw a couple pics with the skin off. It doesn't do much more than keep your head dry when it rains. There is a pretty substantial magnesium frame under it. This car is so much fun! Very different than the Boxster.

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Oct 12, 2006 3:32:50 AM

95jersey: Senior; Loc: US; Posts: 578, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 20, 2006; Reply to: Congaman

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

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Congaman said:
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dhayek said:
conga..i drive a gallardo,and do care a lot for safety,one of the reason the G convinced me over the 430 is the awd and the 4 airbags .if audi didnt own lambo i would have never purchased it. i believe in standards , i owned all kind of supercars , and none had this kind of roof, that thin. it may have nothing to do with safety, i cant tell, i am just assuming that if it was so irelevant most of our cars would have been this way, surely practical when we know how much the weight have become an issue with high end manufacturers.
as for the recall you are refering too, i am not making a recall race ...actually i was joking about the convertible z06 , but you are taking it too personally , i dont have shares in both companies .
i do respect a lot the z06, a clear american tour de force along with the gt40 , a few decades have passed without a proper american muscle car and the Z was great to the competition because it is forcing them to move further with their cars. i personally dont like the design ofthe Z, not my cup of tea,i prefer the gt40 design wise , but no doubt the Z in the cheapest HP available.

No,no I'm not taking anything personal. I'm the first to admit that the flying roof is embarassing to the Z06 crowd.

But still it's not to hard to understand why someone takes the time to create a thread like this. You don't see any threads about the recalls and quality issues of Lamborghini, Porsche, BMW and so on....although these cars have issues that are realy bad for safty.....so the only reason left for the thread is to trash talk the Corvette....that is allowed off cause but the creator will have to stand that someone shoots back at him

Welcome to Rennteam! You'll get use to the general anti-corvette feeling among most here. I must admit, they got me real tuned a few times as well.

But, many are actually pretty cool, and we have had some excellent debates in recent months. You'll find that most welcome another point of view and it really proves for some intersting posts. Don't get in a shuffle over a couple bad apples...you'll find them on any forum.

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Oct 12, 2006 4:51:21 AM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Corvette Z06 quality??

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dhayek said:
conga..i drive a gallardo,and do care a lot for safety,one of the reason the G convinced me over the 430 is the awd and the 4 airbags .if audi didnt own lambo i would have never purchased it. i believe in standards , i owned all kind of supercars , and none had this kind of roof, that thin. it may have nothing to do with safety, i cant tell, i am just assuming that if it was so irelevant most of our cars would have been this way, surely practical when we know how much the weight have become an issue with high end manufacturers.
as for the recall you are refering too, i am not making a recall race ...actually i was joking about the convertible z06 , but you are taking it too personally , i dont have shares in both companies .
i do respect a lot the z06, a clear american tour de force along with the gt40 , a few decades have passed without a proper american muscle car and the Z was great to the competition because it is forcing them to move further with their cars. i personally dont like the design ofthe Z, not my cup of tea,i prefer the gt40 design wise , but no doubt the Z in the cheapest HP available.

Lim hard safety data re: any lim produc cars....very few seem to undergo crash testing by US/EU authorities....and lim usable real-world crash data to draw conclusions.....

But would observe that Z06 has side airbags as optional features

...and GM (or any US mfr) isn't known for any car w/outstanding active/passive safety

....and/or safety innovations....very different league than 997TT or S/CL/SL.....

Given how low sportscars sit, and how in real-world frontal/side collisions vs SUV/large cars and/or rollovers, the roof structure is often an important determinant of funneling crash impact forces away from the passenger cell, would be concerned re: any sloppiness in engineering/mfg of body/roof structure of any car.....

BTW, though Lambo is owned by VW, would always be concerned w/any car w/<<2K/yr produc....tough to spread R&D costs for crash-testing over those few units and lim real-world crash data w/many garage queen cars and a few annual single-car accidents.....safety is typically a delicate balance of selling sufficient units of daily-use cars at high price points to justify R&D costs and to quickly produce real-world crash data feedback loops for on-going refinement, all by a mfr w/a deep-seated "DNA"/mgmt&engineering focus/expertise/reputation re: safety engineering.....

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