997 TT vs F430 vs M6 vs Z06 vs M5 vs Gallardo
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
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J.Seven said:I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
dont forget that the 997TT is the less powerful car of the competition.
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I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
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LoranTw said:
That was very funny We have here before our very eyes..the one and only crash...stand up comedic talent from Timbuktu A man that could be sindicated... When is Leno due to retire?
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I don't think I could live with the noise for long trips in the F430/Gallardo, or the lack of a decent navigation system in the F430 (voice only, no map!), cheap interior in the Z06.
Sep 28, 2006 11:07:33 AM
Sep 28, 2006 11:49:18 AM
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
dont forget that the 997TT is the less powerful car of the competition.
While your statement is correct it is also true that the 997TT is Porsche's ONLY offer in the high-hp segment to date.
x50 is unlikely to be available before CY2008. GT2 is unlikely to come with PSM.
Also, x50 will firstly be required to match the competitors acceleration times. If some additional upside remains (who knows?) the x50 might be slightly faster than a Gallardo/F430 MY2006. However, by 2008 at least the Gallardo will have 550hp...
Porsche has screwed it.
Also the 997TT lap times are very disappointing. Those won't change - even with x50
I am really disappointed
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I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Well said. I agree this. When i look the pre2006 Gallardo vs z06 roll, Gallardo first make a head ahead then z06 pull way. But when i check m6 vs Z06 video m6 did nothing z06 pulled away so easily.
That m6 vs Gallardo video something wrong with the car or driver maybe esp on +sport mod off , who knows
Sep 28, 2006 3:40:03 PM
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
dont forget that the 997TT is the less powerful car of the competition.
While your statement is correct it is also true that the 997TT is Porsche's ONLY offer in the high-hp segment to date.
x50 is unlikely to be available before CY2008. GT2 is unlikely to come with PSM.
Also, x50 will firstly be required to match the competitors acceleration times. If some additional upside remains (who knows?) the x50 might be slightly faster than a Gallardo/F430 MY2006. However, by 2008 at least the Gallardo will have 550hp...
Porsche has screwed it.
Also the 997TT lap times are very disappointing. Those won't change - even with x50
I am really disappointed
Why be upset. Posche turned the TT into a GT car to capture Sl500 buyers and it worked. They are smiling all the way to the bank. If you really want the great acceleration and track tiems the days of the TT being king are over. that ground is clearly held by the GT2/3 now. With the upcoming blue devil it's only going to get more competitive.
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
This is the only test I have seen in which the F430 is faster than the TT. I would say this is the exception not the rule, many tests have concluded the TT to be faster than the G and 430. Car and driver did rolling start tests when they compared the TT, Z06, and F430 and the TT was significantly faster.
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I can't believe that I am asking this question because this car is still very fast...but how easy do you guys think 550 reliable horsepower is acheievable (without engine work)in the 997tt. And what change would this likely bring about in terms of performance?
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
dont forget that the 997TT is the less powerful car of the competition.
While your statement is correct it is also true that the 997TT is Porsche's ONLY offer in the high-hp segment to date.
x50 is unlikely to be available before CY2008. GT2 is unlikely to come with PSM.
Also, x50 will firstly be required to match the competitors acceleration times. If some additional upside remains (who knows?) the x50 might be slightly faster than a Gallardo/F430 MY2006. However, by 2008 at least the Gallardo will have 550hp...
Porsche has screwed it.
Also the 997TT lap times are very disappointing. Those won't change - even with x50
I am really disappointed
Why be upset. Posche turned the TT into a GT car to capture Sl500 buyers and it worked. They are smiling all the way to the bank. If you really want the great acceleration and track tiems the days of the TT being king are over. that ground is clearly held by the GT2/3 now. With the upcoming blue devil it's only going to get more competitive.
The 997TT is no more GT than the 996TT. The GT story is just marketing bla bla by Porsche
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From Gustav videos, we can see the Z06 is clearly the fastest of all . M5 Kellners is just a tinny slower than the 997TT but this same M5 Kellners when raced against the Z06 it stayed far behind. The Ferrari also seemed to gain more ground to the M5 K than 997TT did. I wasn't really expecting for this result, offcourse you can easily tune the 997TT and smoke all the other's, but it should be faster from stock. Anyway I believe if they have started from 0kph 997TT would have stand up better against the competition.
I can only say the Gallardo must have a blown MAF or any other engine bug, that's not possible to be so slow against the heavier M6 using same engine.
J.Seven
Those results are pretty consistent with the outcome of a recent sportscars magazine test (a German publication):
50-250kph:
Z06: 18.2s
F430: 19.3s
997TT: 19.6s
520hp Gallardo: 20.1s
Basically, the 997TT is only good at 0-50; beyond 50kph are reached the competition is faster
Poor result for Porsche
dont forget that the 997TT is the less powerful car of the competition.
While your statement is correct it is also true that the 997TT is Porsche's ONLY offer in the high-hp segment to date.
x50 is unlikely to be available before CY2008. GT2 is unlikely to come with PSM.
Also, x50 will firstly be required to match the competitors acceleration times. If some additional upside remains (who knows?) the x50 might be slightly faster than a Gallardo/F430 MY2006. However, by 2008 at least the Gallardo will have 550hp...
Porsche has screwed it.
Also the 997TT lap times are very disappointing. Those won't change - even with x50
I am really disappointed
Why be upset. Posche turned the TT into a GT car to capture Sl500 buyers and it worked. They are smiling all the way to the bank. If you really want the great acceleration and track tiems the days of the TT being king are over. that ground is clearly held by the GT2/3 now. With the upcoming blue devil it's only going to get more competitive.
The 997TT is no more GT than the 996TT. The GT story is just marketing bla bla by Porsche
The 996TT is so much a GT car I hated driving it. It's softly sprung. It's too heavy due to all the luxuries and sound deadening. It's brakes and styeering offer vague feedback when compared to a Stradale or a GT2/3. And they just keep getting more luxurious, thus heavier. That's a GT car if I ever heard of one.
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I don't think I could live with the noise for long trips in the F430/Gallardo, or the lack of a decent navigation system in the F430 (voice only, no map!), cheap interior in the Z06.
The interior of the Z06 is justified by its very low price.
The navi in the latest F430 it technically up to date, but you're right about the missing screen. But some are no fans of clumsy centre consoles with big screens and small buttons.
And I have to disagree completely about the sound of the F430/Gallardo (of course I have ). The valve controlled flap-exhaust of the Italians is really a great thing: if you ever want to go muted (which happens once a year approximately ), you easily can by using only little throttle.
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I think my ears are too sensitive. Even with the where-is-my-noise 997TT, I wonder if it's the right car to take for trips over 5 hours.
I'm positive I'm one of those MB AMG suckers Porsche managed to successfully capture with the GT marketing. One of those finding the Bentley too rich and porky, AMGs handling not good enough, Aston too slow, Lotus & Noble too raw, Ferrari/Lambo too loud.