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Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
I ordered them but if you have to stop and think about spending $8000+ for simply brakes then proceed carefully.
There are several pros and cons to them.
In the plus column they are half the weight of the regular cast iron rotors. Since this is the unsprung weight you wind up having a slightly quicker handling car. This may not even seem noticeable by most drivers. They are highly corrosion resistant. Might be something of use by someone in a high sea air environment. They absolutely do not fade,--one hard stop after another. While I have never had a problem with 911 brakes over the years I wanted to ensure that I didn't have a problem with this one. They wear at a must slower pace compared to the standard brakes. I looked at some PCCBs on a guy's 966TT and he stated that he had 20,000 miles on the car,--you couldn't see any wear,--unfortunately, I was unable to mic the rotors to put a number to this subjective evaluation. Dust,--a thing of the past.
The overriding 'con' for the PCCBs is of course the initial price and the cost of replacement rotors down the road. (The special matching brake pads run about $350 for a set up front compared to about $250 for the normal S pads). I'm counting on a couple of things happening in that regard. I suspect that I won't need new rotors for over 100,000 miles at the earliest. (While I have done many track events over the years with past cars I never had to replace a rotor with standard 911 brakes). The other thing I'm counting on is the manufacturing costs to come down in the future. Thus far they have come down from over $20,000 for these brakes to about $8,000.
The feel with these brakes is perfection. Smooth, with no odd sounds or feedback from the pedal. There is no doubt that they will be hampered more by the tire choice than anything else when it comes to stopping distances. With PCCB, the modern ABS brakes, high quality tires, and a reasonable road surface, they give you tremendous confidence.
Dan
There are several pros and cons to them.
In the plus column they are half the weight of the regular cast iron rotors. Since this is the unsprung weight you wind up having a slightly quicker handling car. This may not even seem noticeable by most drivers. They are highly corrosion resistant. Might be something of use by someone in a high sea air environment. They absolutely do not fade,--one hard stop after another. While I have never had a problem with 911 brakes over the years I wanted to ensure that I didn't have a problem with this one. They wear at a must slower pace compared to the standard brakes. I looked at some PCCBs on a guy's 966TT and he stated that he had 20,000 miles on the car,--you couldn't see any wear,--unfortunately, I was unable to mic the rotors to put a number to this subjective evaluation. Dust,--a thing of the past.
The overriding 'con' for the PCCBs is of course the initial price and the cost of replacement rotors down the road. (The special matching brake pads run about $350 for a set up front compared to about $250 for the normal S pads). I'm counting on a couple of things happening in that regard. I suspect that I won't need new rotors for over 100,000 miles at the earliest. (While I have done many track events over the years with past cars I never had to replace a rotor with standard 911 brakes). The other thing I'm counting on is the manufacturing costs to come down in the future. Thus far they have come down from over $20,000 for these brakes to about $8,000.
The feel with these brakes is perfection. Smooth, with no odd sounds or feedback from the pedal. There is no doubt that they will be hampered more by the tire choice than anything else when it comes to stopping distances. With PCCB, the modern ABS brakes, high quality tires, and a reasonable road surface, they give you tremendous confidence.
Dan
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
Thanks, Dan. I do live in a salt-air environment where brake rotors rust overnight, especially if you wash the car and put away the rotors wet. The rust always scrapes off the first time you apply the brakes, but it feels kind of icky and un-Porsche-like. So I've considered PCCB to avoid that and because I like the idea of lighter weight and also because the yellow calipers against the darker composite rotors look cool. The sticking point has been the eight grand. It's not that I can't afford it; it's more that I would end up with a car having $20+ grand in options altogether, and sales people tell me you never get it back in resale. Maybe a bit higher than a lower optioned car, but nothing like the initial investment. Since I tend to turn over cars frequently, this is an issue. However, what you have said about the performance of the PCCB brakes encourages me to give it a try. Thanks again.
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
Nice work Dan. There's a great summary on PCCBs in Christophorus a few issues ago. Includes updated info on latest improved CC materials if I remember correctly.
If ONLY they were us$3-4K; I got the money to blow but the us$8K is somehow a eyebrowraising psychological turnoff.
Not sure I like the BRIGHT yellow "I-got-the-best-brakes-Porsche-has-to-offer" signage on all four wheels. Especially if you want a low-key neutral colored car. It's also ironic because we all seem to go to great lengths (LOL) to get rid of those yellow sidemarkers.
Just my us$.02
If ONLY they were us$3-4K; I got the money to blow but the us$8K is somehow a eyebrowraising psychological turnoff.
Not sure I like the BRIGHT yellow "I-got-the-best-brakes-Porsche-has-to-offer" signage on all four wheels. Especially if you want a low-key neutral colored car. It's also ironic because we all seem to go to great lengths (LOL) to get rid of those yellow sidemarkers.
Just my us$.02
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
I'm actually not a big fan of red calipers. I prefer the yellow PCCB calipers. Or just black. That's one reason I bought a base 997 (with black calipers) rather than the S (with red). It's a silly reason, probably. Which I occasionally regret. But there's no accounting for taste!
Anyway, these positive comments about PCCB makes me feel more like taking the plunge. Maybe next time around?
Anyway, these positive comments about PCCB makes me feel more like taking the plunge. Maybe next time around?
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
Come on guys, you're buying a Porsche, not a Nissan. They are certainly the state of the art in brake technology. I predict that they will be found on more and more cars in the future for the durability and weight-savings alone. Cost will come down as production processes improve. And if you have a yellow car,--they match perfectly!
Dan
Dan
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
Newbie question, if your car has them and if for whatever reason you go back to the regular break set-up, are we talking about all new calipers too? The price for these rotors is out of this world. I have also heard that ceramic brakes take longer to warm-up so cold stops are not as reassuring.
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
If you have PCCBs on the car as ordered from the factory more than rotors and brake pads need to be adjusted. The anti-lock brake system and perhaps a myriad of other things need to be readjusted to conventional brakes. These play well together because the entire car knows about them being there.
dan
dan
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
I'm very pleased with the Carrera Sport Wheels. Having driven 911s most of my life I always knew that the more wheel and tire you can get on the back of a 911 is a good thing. The Carrera Sport is the widest,--even wider than the turbo equipment! 11.5 inches in the rear.
Dan
Dan
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
My issue, is that they are clearly supperior but you don't get the money back at resale which is a big hit. If you compare second hand prices of similar specced cars with PCCB and normal, there is only about Pounds1000 difference here in the UK. I saw this with both my GT3RS and Carrera S. That hurts.
Re: PCCB Yellow Brakes
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Dan L said:
I ordered them but if you have to stop and think about spending $8000+ for simply brakes then proceed carefully.
There are several pros and cons to them.
In the plus column they are half the weight of the regular cast iron rotors. Since this is the unsprung weight you wind up having a slightly quicker handling car. This may not even seem noticeable by most drivers. They are highly corrosion resistant. Might be something of use by someone in a high sea air environment. They absolutely do not fade,--one hard stop after another. While I have never had a problem with 911 brakes over the years I wanted to ensure that I didn't have a problem with this one. They wear at a must slower pace compared to the standard brakes. I looked at some PCCBs on a guy's 966TT and he stated that he had 20,000 miles on the car,--you couldn't see any wear,--unfortunately, I was unable to mic the rotors to put a number to this subjective evaluation. Dust,--a thing of the past.
The overriding 'con' for the PCCBs is of course the initial price and the cost of replacement rotors down the road. (The special matching brake pads run about $350 for a set up front compared to about $250 for the normal S pads). I'm counting on a couple of things happening in that regard. I suspect that I won't need new rotors for over 100,000 miles at the earliest. (While I have done many track events over the years with past cars I never had to replace a rotor with standard 911 brakes). The other thing I'm counting on is the manufacturing costs to come down in the future. Thus far they have come down from over $20,000 for these brakes to about $8,000.
The feel with these brakes is perfection. Smooth, with no odd sounds or feedback from the pedal. There is no doubt that they will be hampered more by the tire choice than anything else when it comes to stopping distances. With PCCB, the modern ABS brakes, high quality tires, and a reasonable road surface, they give you tremendous confidence.
Dan
Great summary of the PCCB's. I'm generally not hard on brakes, but the type of mountain road driving that I do can lead to overheating of the rotors and possibly warping. Hence, I tend to be a bit more careful when braking in that type of driving environment. If I had the extra bucks, I would have gotten them. If I get another 911 (at my age of 58, I may not get a chance to get another one), I definitely will get them.
Jim
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