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May 8, 2017 3:07:10 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: bvineyards

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

bvineyards:
how is that safe at 150 mph +?

Good question. In Germany, if you have an accident with such an illegally modded (Porsche never supports this!!!) car, you are in huge poo poo. Even worse if it happens at higher speeds where the negative effect is obvious.

I guess some people are immune to common sense or some basic understanding of aerodynamics and/or of driving skills (no skilled driver would risk that, unless he is mentally challenged Smiley ).

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May 8, 2017 3:13:30 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

RC:
bvineyards:
how is that safe at 150 mph +?

Good question. In Germany, if you have an accident with such an illegally modded (Porsche never supports this!!!) car, you are in huge poo poo. Even worse if it happens at higher speeds where the negative effect is obvious.

I guess some people are immune to common sense or some basic understanding of aerodynamics and/or of driving skills (no skilled driver would risk that, unless he is mentally challenged ).

I have been on a track where someone was testing this setting on a yellow GT3 RS ( I did post the photos and details at the time ) . It was good for speed limited roads, as you can't feel any difference when driving ip to 120 km/h ( I guess that guy only cruses through Zurich where the picture was taken ) but when you went above 150 km/h it started to feel unstable .

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May 8, 2017 3:45:37 PM

4trac: Expert; Loc: SK , Canada; Posts: 1920, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 6, 2006; Reply to: Gnil

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

At least with McLarens there is never any debate about getting a wingless version. indecision

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May 8, 2017 4:03:20 PM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Boxster Coupe GTS:
Apparently some customers are already testing a touring package...

Yep, and it looks quite good

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May 8, 2017 4:32:20 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

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May 8, 2017 5:08:35 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

DaveGordon:
A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

I have to admit that I found the GT4 to be a little scary at high autobahn speeds too (I only changed to high downforce mode when I got home - where it was not needed Smiley )...

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May 8, 2017 5:26:55 PM

vantagesc: Pilot; Loc: U.S. , United States; Posts: 486, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2010; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

I wonder if that has more to do with a more track oriented alignment and fat tires, which could make the car wander more. When I was in Germany last, granted I only did about 138 mph in an Audi TT, but it was stable enough when the road was straight.

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May 8, 2017 5:29:18 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: vantagesc

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

vantagesc:
I wonder if that has more to do with a more track oriented alignment and fat tires, which could make the car wander more. When I was in Germany last, granted I only did about 138 mph in an Audi TT, but it was stable enough when the road was straight.

Possible - and I think my alignment was out of spec too (had that corrected with track alignment and parts once home).

Was only scary above 260kph (160mph)

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May 8, 2017 5:40:17 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Grant:
DaveGordon:
A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

I have to admit that I found the GT4 to be a little scary

It is always a little bit scary. Even at standstill Smiley

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May 8, 2017 6:25:22 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

bluelines:

It is always a little bit scary. Even at standstill

Smiley

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May 8, 2017 6:44:27 PM

Lorenzo: Junior; Loc: Mexico City; Posts: 105, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

This is what happens when you drive at high speed without a wing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaoJC5yTwU

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May 8, 2017 7:30:30 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Lorenzo

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Porsche has already concluded that they can build a 911 GT3 without a wing and it was quite a car...

...they called it the 911 R!

Smiley

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May 8, 2017 8:00:23 PM

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1212, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2006; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

But didn't the R had a special diffuser to compensate the loss of the wing?

It might be dangerous taking the wing off, but I doubt that these owners go +160mph without their wings.

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May 8, 2017 8:04:45 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5173, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: spudgun

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Oh, the irony is rich! One has read many, many posts of this thread claiming that those who want a 911 GT3 with an manual are troglodytes because the car with the PDK is infinitely quicker around the race course, now several of those same individuals are talking up the touring package, which hampers aerodynamic efficiency for the race course...

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May 8, 2017 8:15:14 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Saffron Yellow Metallic kiss

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May 8, 2017 8:23:34 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: bluelines

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Liking that kiss

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May 8, 2017 8:41:18 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5173, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Agree on the colour.

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May 8, 2017 9:00:33 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: CGX car nut

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I think that Saffron color is a multi-stage process that has a high price. Not PTS, just a fancier optional premium color.

"Reserved for the 911 is four-coat paint in Saffron Yellow Metallic with intermediate sanding. This paint creates a particularly impression of depth. "

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-new-model-year-connectivity-colours-innovations-13535.html

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May 8, 2017 9:13:25 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Boxster Coupe GTS:
Porsche has already concluded that they can build a 911 GT3 without a wing and it was quite a car...

...they called it the 911 R!

And that car is unstable at high speed.

Above 270km/hr the rear gets light and moves around a lot.

It is stable up to around 250km/hr.

I tried on the autobahn already.

I wouldn't want to do a lane change at 300km/despite what AP publicly said. That's a death wish to do such a move at that speed.

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May 8, 2017 9:21:54 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Looks like another interesting GT3 variant road testing...

...or maybe an old 911 R mule?

Smiley

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May 8, 2017 9:41:41 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5173, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Grant:
I think that Saffron color is a multi-stage process that has a high price. Not PTS, just a fancier optional premium color.

"Reserved for the 911 is four-coat paint in Saffron Yellow Metallic with intermediate sanding. This paint creates a particularly impression of depth. "

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-new-model-year-connectivity-colours-innovations-13535.html

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Then, most likely, this paint option would also have a higher insurance premium associated with it, since matching of panels are much more difficult. One went through this with pearl white many years ago.

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May 8, 2017 9:51:57 PM

4trac: Expert; Loc: SK , Canada; Posts: 1920, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 6, 2006; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Boxster Coupe GTS:
Looks like another interesting GT3 variant road testing...

...or maybe an old 911 R mule?

Forget the GT3 - please tell us more about Wolfsblut designer bugs (ie. beetles...)... Smiley

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May 8, 2017 11:18:19 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13735, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: 4trac

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

What is Porsche up to? Having all these variants exposed on the public streets is not the Porsche way? yes

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May 9, 2017 7:55:41 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

DaveGordon:
A dealer I talked to had driven an R on the Autobahn at fairly high speeds and he reckoned it was definitely much more sketchy than the GT3.

The problem is that the 991 R is not just a GT3 without a rear wing, aerodynamics have been "adapted" to the wing-less design/setup. The ducktail doesn't help much on the GT3 RS...also I do not think it looks good (but I've never been a friend of ducktails). I think a retractable Carrera wing would benefit the GT3 RS more than a ducktail but I could be wrong.

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May 9, 2017 1:49:49 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

RC:
The problem is that the 991 R is not just a GT3 without a rear wing, aerodynamics have been "adapted" to the wing-less design/setup.

Sure, but that diffusor doesn't make up for all the downforce lost from the wing removal - hence it's still disadvantaged.

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May 9, 2017 3:55:14 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

DaveGordon:
RC:
The problem is that the 991 R is not just a GT3 without a rear wing, aerodynamics have been "adapted" to the wing-less design/setup.

Sure, but that diffusor doesn't make up for all the downforce lost from the wing removal - hence it's still disadvantaged.

According to the latest rumor the reason why the touring package is (still?) not available.

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May 9, 2017 4:51:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

991.2 GT3 RS??

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/29/p...-rs-spy-shots/

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May 9, 2017 5:11:17 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13735, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

After much agonizing I decided to go with the black wheels and guard red wheel stripe. The overall look suits the car better especially with the stripe. Without the stripe and only black wheels the car look like it is floating and doesn't come together.

There was a reason why Porsche decided to show the car in GR with the black wheels and GR stripe. I see it now and agree.

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May 9, 2017 5:14:31 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

nberry:
After much agonizing I decided to go with the black wheels and guard red wheel stripe. The overall look suits the car better especially with the stripe. Without the stripe and only black wheels the car look like it is floating and doesn't come together.

There was a reason why Porsche decided to show the car in GR with the black wheels and GR stripe. I see it now and agree.

You gonna get the matching GR 12 O'clock stripe on the steering wheel?

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May 9, 2017 5:30:25 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

A couple of hours before they released the official Nordschleife time for 991.2 GT3.

Yours truthful in the background.

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