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trip said:
All cars better have the same tires for the next super test.
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KresoF1 said:
993S,
Not every car benefites from sport tires like Corsa's. Look at M6, yes, it is faster on Hockenheim with Corsa's then with Conti's. But, on Ring car with Conti's is actually 1s faster then on Corsa's! It was a big suprise even for Sport Auto stuff. Corsa's, Cup's and other sport tires are pretty unforgiving if you push the car little bit over the limit. On the other hand with normal tires you have wider limit range to exploit-that is my experience.
Regarding V8 Vantage Corsa's use on the car are little bit wider then standard Bridgestone's! Here is were difference in time(big one I agree) came from(but, not only from that difference).
Let's go back to 997 Turbo. It is almost without competitors in straight line driving only! As I said before F430 and Gallardo are marginally slower on autobahn but, on track or twisty mountain road Gallardo is the king! No matter LSD or not on 997 Turbo, it is not that bulletprove in tight corners(or even big fast ones on autobahn) as Gallardo.
I love all sportcars, not favoring Porsche like most members here. Am I dissapointed with 997 Turbo? In the end with change in Porsche philosophy the answer is NO!
But, Masterwerk?! Porsche marketing stuff must be on some kind of illegal substance...
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KresoF1 said:
993S,
Not every car benefites from sport tires like Corsa's. Look at M6, yes, it is faster on Hockenheim with Corsa's then with Conti's. But, on Ring car with Conti's is actually 1s faster then on Corsa's! It was a big suprise even for Sport Auto stuff. Corsa's, Cup's and other sport tires are pretty unforgiving if you push the car little bit over the limit. On the other hand with normal tires you have wider limit range to exploit-that is my experience.
Regarding V8 Vantage Corsa's use on the car are little bit wider then standard Bridgestone's! Here is were difference in time(big one I agree) came from(but, not only from that difference).
Let's go back to 997 Turbo. It is almost without competitors in straight line driving only! As I said before F430 and Gallardo are marginally slower on autobahn but, on track or twisty mountain road Gallardo is the king! No matter LSD or not on 997 Turbo, it is not that bulletprove in tight corners(or even big fast ones on autobahn) as Gallardo.
I love all sportcars, not favoring Porsche like most members here. Am I dissapointed with 997 Turbo? In the end with change in Porsche philosophy the answer is NO!
But, Masterwerk?! Porsche marketing stuff must be on some kind of illegal substance...
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KresoF1 said:
According to you AMS is right and Sport Auto is wrong...
You are die hard 997 Turbo fan? Well, I am sportscars enthusiast, not single brand fan.
How about recent comparison test in lates British EVO mag:
997 Turbo(manual)
0-60mph: 4.0s
0-100mph: 8.7s
0-160mph:27.5s
Lamborghini Gallardo
0-60mph: 4.3s
0-100mph:9.4s
0-160mph:24.2s
Gallardo is faster then Turbo from 0-120/130/140/150/160mph!
But, you will probably claim that EVO is very biased British magazine...
Imagine situation when Gallardo driver is driving 280km/h on the autobahn... When will 997 Turbo driver be able to overtake Her/Him? Never...
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KresoF1 said:
According to you AMS is right and Sport Auto is wrong...
You are die hard 997 Turbo fan? Well, I am sportscars enthusiast, not single brand fan.
How about recent comparison test in lates British EVO mag:
997 Turbo(manual)
0-60mph: 4.0s
0-100mph: 8.7s
0-160mph:27.5s
Lamborghini Gallardo
0-60mph: 4.3s
0-100mph:9.4s
0-160mph:24.2s
Gallardo is faster then Turbo from 0-120/130/140/150/160mph!
But, you will probably claim that EVO is very biased British magazine...
Imagine situation when Gallardo driver is driving 280km/h on the autobahn... When will 997 Turbo driver be able to overtake Her/Him? Never...
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KresoF1 said:
Andrej, I put the deposit so, I am stucked with 997 Turbo.
Audi R8 is very promising product... Something like Gallardo in Grigio Proteus with Callisto wheels, ceramic brakes, Corsa'a and Sport setup sounds very tempting!
Maybe it is time for Gallardo...
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KresoF1 said:
According to you AMS is right and Sport Auto is wrong...
You are die hard 997 Turbo fan? Well, I am sportscars enthusiast, not single brand fan.
How about recent comparison test in lates British EVO mag:
997 Turbo(manual)
0-60mph: 4.0s
0-100mph: 8.7s
0-160mph:27.5s
Lamborghini Gallardo
0-60mph: 4.3s
0-100mph:9.4s
0-160mph:24.2s
Gallardo is faster then Turbo from 0-120/130/140/150/160mph!
But, you will probably claim that EVO is very biased British magazine...
Imagine situation when Gallardo driver is driving 280km/h on the autobahn... When will 997 Turbo driver be able to overtake Her/Him? Never...
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KresoF1 said:
Imagine situation when Gallardo driver is driving 280km/h on the autobahn... When will 997 Turbo driver be able to overtake Her/Him? Never...
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turbolite said:
well maybe we should stick to the sport auto times for Gallardo and 9977tt shouldnt we? but maybe we could avoid making this comparison a second 997tt vs Z06 discussion.
I guess the point some (including me) are making here is that, although the 997tt is a really great car, it has lost some of the nearly untouchable cachet ist used to have.
Simple reason being is that the competitive landscape has dramatically changed from 2000 when the 996tt was introduced and Porsche has underestimated its competitors..
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KresoF1 said:
I agree with you! But, did you read what I wrote before?
To each its own! Every single person is unique and you choice is 997 Turbo! So, is mine! But, difference is that for me Turbo is NOT the best sportscar in the market. IMO it is Gallardo. 997 Turbo is some kind of fusion between sportscar and GT. And it is very good in most of the things.
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turbolite said:
well maybe we should stick to the sport auto times for Gallardo and 9977tt shouldnt we? but maybe we could avoid making this comparison a second 997tt vs Z06 discussion.
I guess the point some (including me) are making here is that, although the 997tt is a really great car, it has lost some of the nearly untouchable cachet ist used to have.
Simple reason being is that the competitive landscape has dramatically changed from 2000 when the 996tt was introduced and Porsche has underestimated its competitors..
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KresoF1 said:
Let me clear up the things little bit...
I am not saying that 997 Turbo is a bad car. I order one myself! I am simply saying that new Turbo is not the car some of us(most of us?) expected... Three years old Gallardo is(with some refinements) still drive dynamics and track king! Since I had a chance to drive both cars I can say that 997 Turbo is clearly more comfortable and user friendly one. Gallardo is on the other hand simply amazing DRIVERS sportscar! It is way better on the road then my previous F430 Spider. It has sound to die for and is so surgically precise to drive. That's my impression...
997 Turbo is better of course as single family(?!) car but, most of us here own something else for downtown driving.
Andrej, I will try everything in my power to arrange comparison for September! Camera men you are!
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KresoF1 said:
Hmm... I think you may be wrong here. Why? Look at numbers around Hockenheim track provided by Sport Auto...
Zeilgerade:
997 Turbo 197km/h
Gallardo 198km/h
Nordkurve:
997 Turbo 121km/h
Gallardo 127km/h
Eingang Motordome:
997 Turbo 121km/h
Gallardo 125km/h
BTW, EVO mesured 997 Turbo till 180mph(almost 290km/h) in 39.1s...
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KresoF1 said:
997 Turbo is better of course as single family(?!) car but, most of us here own something else for downtown driving.
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turbolite said:
Simple reason being is that the competitive landscape has dramatically changed from 2000 when the 996tt was introduced and Porsche has underestimated its competitors..
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Crash said:
It seems that the car is geared in a way that enables it to accelerate much harder after 200 km/h, which is really important on the Autobahn.