Jul 15, 2006 3:02:20 PM
- drbf
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Jul 15, 2006 3:02:20 PM
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MKSGR said:
Are you serious? I really love Ferrari. But a Ferrari is an Italian car. And like all Italian cars it has a build quality far from perfect.
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drbf said:
Before I ordered my TT I went to the Ferrari dealer and the salesman told me "Ferrari was not a daily drive automobile"
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Gary(SF) said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Are you serious? I really love Ferrari. But a Ferrari is an Italian car. And like all Italian cars it has a build quality far from perfect.
That's simply not true any longer, starting with the 360 imo. Some say starting with the 355, but in my experience the 360 is the first Ferrari with truly Porsche-competitive reliability. I've owned both brands and the Ferrari is right there with Porsche now. Most Ferrari owners don't drive their cars as much as Porsche guys do, in most cases because they own 6 or 8 (or more) cars, not because they aren't reliable.
Gary
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Gary(SF) said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Are you serious? I really love Ferrari. But a Ferrari is an Italian car. And like all Italian cars it has a build quality far from perfect.
That's simply not true any longer, starting with the 360 imo. Some say starting with the 355, but in my experience the 360 is the first Ferrari with truly Porsche-competitive reliability. I've owned both brands and the Ferrari is right there with Porsche now. Most Ferrari owners don't drive their cars as much as Porsche guys do, in most cases because they own 6 or 8 (or more) cars, not because they aren't reliable.
Gary
The above list of malfunctions relates to a F360. This car had many serious flaws. Not just one or two. And the flaws were that substantial that Ferrari could not eliminate them.
Ferrari is not even close to Porsche in terms of quality and reliability. And if I should guess, they will never get close any time in the future. Just visit Maranello and you will know why I say that. There is simply a different work attitude in Zuffenhausen and Maranello
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Gary(SF) said:
That's simply not true any longer, starting with the 360 imo. Some say starting with the 355, but in my experience the 360 is the first Ferrari with truly Porsche-competitive reliability.
Gary
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DJB said:
I had 14k miles on my 355 and have 8k on my 360 without any problems. I also had 85k miles on my 993tt without anything wrong other than to replace the turbos at 82k. Maybe I have been fortunate.
Jul 16, 2006 5:10:37 PM
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fritz said:Quote:
DJB said:
I had 14k miles on my 355 and have 8k on my 360 without any problems. I also had 85k miles on my 993tt without anything wrong other than to replace the turbos at 82k. Maybe I have been fortunate.
F355 14k miles
F360 8k miles
P993TT 85k miles
I think that sums up the situation nicely.
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amjf088 said:
Until a lot of people start to put 100,000 to 200,000 miles on their Ferraris, the answer to this quesiton will not be resolved I believe.
Jul 16, 2006 8:32:52 PM
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Jul 17, 2006 12:37:09 PM
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ptcja said:
or try this if you are millionaire playboys like Roger Moore:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsID/2060504.007/country/ecf/ascari/wcf-test-drive-ascari-kz1
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fritz said:Quote:
DJB said:
I had 14k miles on my 355 and have 8k on my 360 without any problems. I also had 85k miles on my 993tt without anything wrong other than to replace the turbos at 82k. Maybe I have been fortunate.
F355 14k miles
F360 8k miles
P993TT 85k miles
I think that sums up the situation nicely.
Jul 18, 2006 9:30:41 PM
Jul 19, 2006 3:12:14 AM
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DJB said:
Fred, I will try and explain what happens. Generally, the wait time for a new Ferrari is about 18-24 months once you have put down a $10k deposit. Once you take deliver, the car is immediately worth a premium of $35-50k on the secondary mnarket due to the wait time. If you sell (other than through a dealer) you will be blacklisted and not welcome into the queue again. If you drive your car over 2000 miles, it is not regarded as "new" and is more difficult to sell (at a premium). It takes a while for a lower priced market to develop for higher mileage and less than msrp priced models (say 2-4 years after you bought it). The result is a choice: drive your car and go into uncertainty of ability to sell, or treat each mile carefully and preserve the marketability so you can take deliver of another new one and pay for it with the sale of the used (new to someone else not in the queue). I hope this gives you an understanding of what is a rather interesting, but silly situation.
Cheers,
David
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Jul 19, 2006 3:21:02 AM
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DJB said:
Fred, I will try and explain what happens. Generally, the wait time for a new Ferrari is about 18-24 months once you have put down a $10k deposit. Once you take deliver, the car is immediately worth a premium of $35-50k on the secondary mnarket due to the wait time. If you sell (other than through a dealer) you will be blacklisted and not welcome into the queue again. If you drive your car over 2000 miles, it is not regarded as "new" and is more difficult to sell (at a premium). It takes a while for a lower priced market to develop for higher mileage and less than msrp priced models (say 2-4 years after you bought it). The result is a choice: drive your car and go into uncertainty of ability to sell, or treat each mile carefully and preserve the marketability so you can take deliver of another new one and pay for it with the sale of the used (new to someone else not in the queue). I hope this gives you an understanding of what is a rather interesting, but silly situation.
Cheers,
David
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Jul 19, 2006 5:51:28 AM
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DJB said:
Fred, I will try and explain what happens. Generally, the wait time for a new Ferrari is about 18-24 months once you have put down a $10k deposit. Once you take deliver, the car is immediately worth a premium of $35-50k on the secondary mnarket due to the wait time. If you sell (other than through a dealer) you will be blacklisted and not welcome into the queue again. If you drive your car over 2000 miles, it is not regarded as "new" and is more difficult to sell (at a premium). It takes a while for a lower priced market to develop for higher mileage and less than msrp priced models (say 2-4 years after you bought it). The result is a choice: drive your car and go into uncertainty of ability to sell, or treat each mile carefully and preserve the marketability so you can take deliver of another new one and pay for it with the sale of the used (new to someone else not in the queue). I hope this gives you an understanding of what is a rather interesting, but silly situation.
Cheers,
David
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