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    Jul 10, 2006 8:38:32 PM

    tony h
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    Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    INFO FROM FCHAT:
    "The yellow 599 GTB Fiorano was crashed at Goodwood by Andrea Bartolini, a pro. The car was quickly replaced by a darkred metallic 599 GTB Fiorano that had been driven from
    Maranello to Reims (France) for a photo shooting and then on to Goodwood, arriving Friday evening. The crashed yellow 599 GTB is S/N 146539, the replacement darkred 599 GTB is S/N 146165.
    Marcel Massini"

    One young fan was happy anyway





    Jul 10, 2006 10:18:29 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    ouchhh...nasty..

    Jul 10, 2006 10:45:22 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    Wow, that's not too cool. Between this and the Car and Driver crash I'm wondering if the 599's a little tricky? Is the power too much of a handful? A little understeer? It's hard to say but any other opinions?

    Jul 10, 2006 11:34:14 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

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    Wow, that's not too cool. Between this and the Car and Driver crash I'm wondering if the 599's a little tricky? Is the power too much of a handful? A little understeer? It's hard to say but any other opinions?



    Only guesses. Until the factory delivers one to me for a extended test drive and evaluation I will not know...but usually a one car crash is a sign of too much speed for too small a corner.

    Jul 11, 2006 7:07:48 AM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    between the 599 and lp640 crashes lately , i think the 600+ hp figure is tricky to handle for non pro's

    Jul 11, 2006 7:10:45 AM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one

    Jul 11, 2006 7:15:04 AM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

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    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one


    ok..ermmm..thats promissing..

    Jul 11, 2006 8:18:55 AM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one


    ok..ermmm..thats promissing..



    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...

    Jul 11, 2006 8:19:51 AM

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    Somehow I think that is a great pic.

    Jul 11, 2006 1:26:13 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    Quote:
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    Quote:
    dhayek said:
    Quote:
    tony h said:
    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one


    ok..ermmm..thats promissing..



    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...



    Doubt it....

    Guys have been crumpling <<400hp cars for decades, often in single vehicle accids on dry roads....

    Would argue that those who know where/when to apply power; use all relevant computer safety nets; and have a realistic view of their own driving skills have a materially lower chance of crashing (and higher odds of surviving any crash injury-free) in 599/997TT/65 than in any of the "purer"/simpler/more analog/much less powerful cars of yesteryr.....

    Besides, one less fugly yell 599 is a net positive for the world

    Jul 11, 2006 1:28:09 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    dhayek said:
    Quote:
    tony h said:
    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one


    ok..ermmm..thats promissing..



    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...



    Doubt it....

    Guys have been crumpling <<400hp cars for decades, often in single vehicle accids on dry roads....

    Would argue that those who know where/when to apply power; use all relevant computer safety nets; and have a realistic view of their own driving skills have a materially lower chance of crashing (and higher odds of surviving any crash injury-free) in 599/997TT/65 than in any of the "purer"/simpler/more analog/much less powerful cars of yesteryr.....

    Besides, one less fugly yell 599 is a net positive for the world



    Okay, let me put it this way:

    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...

    ...for the unexperienced drivers.

    Jul 11, 2006 3:42:05 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    dhayek said:
    Quote:
    tony h said:
    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one


    ok..ermmm..thats promissing..



    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...



    Doubt it....

    Guys have been crumpling <<400hp cars for decades, often in single vehicle accids on dry roads....

    Would argue that those who know where/when to apply power; use all relevant computer safety nets; and have a realistic view of their own driving skills have a materially lower chance of crashing (and higher odds of surviving any crash injury-free) in 599/997TT/65 than in any of the "purer"/simpler/more analog/much less powerful cars of yesteryr.....

    Besides, one less fugly yell 599 is a net positive for the world



    Okay, let me put it this way:

    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...

    ...for the unexperienced drivers.



    Agreed

    But good to see processes of Darwinian selection in-action....and great to see early, real-world crash data for mfrs to use to refine/advance safety of future cars, esp for more responsible owners/drivers....

    Jul 11, 2006 6:13:33 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    If these drivers are pros would that mean they'd be driving with traction control off? I'm sure that even for a pro, no traction control would make it easy to lose control.

    Jul 11, 2006 7:25:20 PM

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    Where's Nick..he'll have the answer, or a law suit?

    Jul 11, 2006 9:33:12 PM

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    Re: Giallo 599 crashes @ Goodwood -

    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    dhayek said:
    Quote:
    tony h said:
    the Goodwood car WAS being driven by a pro ! God help the mere mortals who buy one


    ok..ermmm..thats promissing..



    Seems as if the new cars have just too many horses...


    fully agree stephan..
     
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