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AUM said:
Ijust saw a car that will not be bothered too much by the competition. It is a 700Hp 800Nm 996 turbo with full CF body, minus 160 kg, and 10 cm wider. CGT seats, 380 mm race brakes, etc, etc. But no A/c and a bit noisy for long distance travel.

Full CF body? So each little dent costs 10000 Euro to repair?

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dhayek said:
time have changed..
i will never buy a zo6 ,not my kind of car but i have to admit ,a car that is that fast and that accesible is an annoying fact. ten years ago when i bought my 993tt,i was the king of the road , by far ;the closest competitor was the 355 who was damn slow compared to the tt. now competiton has become fierce! if i had a murcielago there is plenty of cars that is or as fast or faster(599,enzo,pagani,gt40 etc..) and now i own a Gallardo and still there is 997tt,z06,430,gt3,m5,m6etc... i have to learn to look good in my rear view mirror to see if its a c6 or a z06 ,a m5 or an 523...
weird days..

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STRADALE said:

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dhayek said:
time have changed..
i will never buy a zo6 ,not my kind of car but i have to admit ,a car that is that fast and that accesible is an annoying fact. ten years ago when i bought my 993tt,i was the king of the road , by far ;the closest competitor was the 355 who was damn slow compared to the tt. now competiton has become fierce! if i had a murcielago there is plenty of cars that is or as fast or faster(599,enzo,pagani,gt40 etc..) and now i own a Gallardo and still there is 997tt,z06,430,gt3,m5,m6etc... i have to learn to look good in my rear view mirror to see if its a c6 or a z06 ,a m5 or an 523...
weird days..

Very, very true....It's a great thing for everybody. The more competition the better for anyone that loves and owns high end sports cars imo. Unless the most important thing to you is being the fastest guy on the block without a doubt. For me it's more about the experience I get driving a twisty road when there's no one else around. Not even a passenger.

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Crash said:

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AUM said:
Ijust saw a car that will not be bothered too much by the competition. It is a 700Hp 800Nm 996 turbo with full CF body, minus 160 kg, and 10 cm wider. CGT seats, 380 mm race brakes, etc, etc. But no A/c and a bit noisy for long distance travel.

Manthey?

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355Spider said:

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STRADALE said:

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dhayek said:
time have changed..
i will never buy a zo6 ,not my kind of car but i have to admit ,a car that is that fast and that accesible is an annoying fact. ten years ago when i bought my 993tt,i was the king of the road , by far ;the closest competitor was the 355 who was damn slow compared to the tt. now competiton has become fierce! if i had a murcielago there is plenty of cars that is or as fast or faster(599,enzo,pagani,gt40 etc..) and now i own a Gallardo and still there is 997tt,z06,430,gt3,m5,m6etc... i have to learn to look good in my rear view mirror to see if its a c6 or a z06 ,a m5 or an 523...
weird days..

Very, very true....It's a great thing for everybody. The more competition the better for anyone that loves and owns high end sports cars imo. Unless the most important thing to you is being the fastest guy on the block without a doubt. For me it's more about the experience I get driving a twisty road when there's no one else around. Not even a passenger.

I agree. I hope the GT2 is better than the Z06 by far. Then the new super vette will have to be better than the GT2 and so on and so on....... It's a great time to be a car guy.

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Tony007 said:

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355Spider said:

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STRADALE said:

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dhayek said:
time have changed..
i will never buy a zo6 ,not my kind of car but i have to admit ,a car that is that fast and that accesible is an annoying fact. ten years ago when i bought my 993tt,i was the king of the road , by far ;the closest competitor was the 355 who was damn slow compared to the tt. now competiton has become fierce! if i had a murcielago there is plenty of cars that is or as fast or faster(599,enzo,pagani,gt40 etc..) and now i own a Gallardo and still there is 997tt,z06,430,gt3,m5,m6etc... i have to learn to look good in my rear view mirror to see if its a c6 or a z06 ,a m5 or an 523...
weird days..

Very, very true....It's a great thing for everybody. The more competition the better for anyone that loves and owns high end sports cars imo. Unless the most important thing to you is being the fastest guy on the block without a doubt. For me it's more about the experience I get driving a twisty road when there's no one else around. Not even a passenger.

I agree. I hope the GT2 is better than the Z06 by far. Then the new super vette will have to be better than the GT2 and so on and so on....... It's a great time to be a car guy.

I've been a corvette guy all my life. I really hope for the best with this new super vette. But if they don't do something like mid engine or all wheel drive this 600+ hp car will NEVER hook up at the line. Driving a stock Z06 is like trying to sprint on an ice patch. Can't just dig in and go.. Worthless power in my opinion.

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RonnieC6Z said:

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Tony007 said:

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355Spider said:

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STRADALE said:

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dhayek said:
time have changed..
i will never buy a zo6 ,not my kind of car but i have to admit ,a car that is that fast and that accesible is an annoying fact. ten years ago when i bought my 993tt,i was the king of the road , by far ;the closest competitor was the 355 who was damn slow compared to the tt. now competiton has become fierce! if i had a murcielago there is plenty of cars that is or as fast or faster(599,enzo,pagani,gt40 etc..) and now i own a Gallardo and still there is 997tt,z06,430,gt3,m5,m6etc... i have to learn to look good in my rear view mirror to see if its a c6 or a z06 ,a m5 or an 523...
weird days..

Very, very true....It's a great thing for everybody. The more competition the better for anyone that loves and owns high end sports cars imo. Unless the most important thing to you is being the fastest guy on the block without a doubt. For me it's more about the experience I get driving a twisty road when there's no one else around. Not even a passenger.

I agree. I hope the GT2 is better than the Z06 by far. Then the new super vette will have to be better than the GT2 and so on and so on....... It's a great time to be a car guy.

I've been a corvette guy all my life. I really hope for the best with this new super vette. But if they don't do something like mid engine or all wheel drive this 600+ hp car will NEVER hook up at the line. Driving a stock Z06 is like trying to sprint on an ice patch. Can't just dig in and go.. Worthless power in my opinion.

My Z is lowered, has headers and is dynotuned...almost 600HP...worthlss power??? I have no problem digging in and going...but I have been driving a stick all of my life...its really easy once you get the hang of it.

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polo said:
It's funny that it is mostly americans comparing the Z06 to porsche. Here in europe we hardly consider it as an option to porsche...
Because porsche is so much more than just performance...

Imagine how much horspower could get porsche with a V8 7.0 liter engine. Certainly much more than 500 HP.

It is the first time GM makes something performance wise with the competition. Took them long enough...But they needed many liters to get it on par.

Any how the Z06 is a great car at a great price, however, it is hardly comparble to a 997 TT except performance wise.

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polo said:
It's funny that it is mostly americans comparing the Z06 to porsche. Here in europe we hardly consider it as an option to porsche...
Because porsche is so much more than just performance...

Imagine how much horspower could get porsche with a V8 7.0 liter engine. Certainly much more than 500 HP.

It is the first time GM makes something performance wise with the competition. Took them long enough...But they needed many liters to get it on par.

Any how the Z06 is a great car at a great price, however, it is hardly comparble to a 997 TT except performance wise.

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RonnieC6Z said:

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Dock (Atlanta) said:

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RonnieC6Z said:
Here in the US (Porsches #1 target market), generally speaking, Vettes are driven by guys that love speed, performance and balls-to-the-wall thrills, and Porsches are driven by exactly what I stated above.

And what data source did you use to come up with that information?

Funny...you did not ask RC the same question when he said that Pimps drive Vettes in Germany.

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devo said:

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polo said:
It's funny that it is mostly americans comparing the Z06 to porsche. Here in europe we hardly consider it as an option to porsche...
Because porsche is so much more than just performance...

Imagine how much horspower could get porsche with a V8 7.0 liter engine. Certainly much more than 500 HP.

It is the first time GM makes something performance wise with the competition. Took them long enough...But they needed many liters to get it on par.

Any how the Z06 is a great car at a great price, however, it is hardly comparble to a 997 TT except performance wise.

Brother, that's what I've been saying all along. I couldn't agree more.

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Crash said:

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polo said:
It's funny that it is mostly americans comparing the Z06 to porsche. Here in europe we hardly consider it as an option to porsche...
Because porsche is so much more than just performance...

Imagine how much horspower could get porsche with a V8 7.0 liter engine. Certainly much more than 500 HP.

It is the first time GM makes something performance wise with the competition. Took them long enough...But they needed many liters to get it on par.

Any how the Z06 is a great car at a great price, however, it is hardly comparble to a 997 TT except performance wise.

You can say this a thousand times and it won't matter to them. Just the mere fact of being able to tell you, a Porsche owner, that their car is as fast as yours, gives them immense pleasure.

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RonnieC6Z said:

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Dock (Atlanta) said:

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RonnieC6Z said:
Here in the US (Porsches #1 target market), generally speaking, Vettes are driven by guys that love speed, performance and balls-to-the-wall thrills, and Porsches are driven by exactly what I stated above.

And what data source did you use to come up with that information?

Funny...you did not ask RC the same question when he said that Pimps drive Vettes in Germany.

Sorry Ronnie, but I have to diagree. Most buy it because it's cheap speed, and, unfortunately, cheap everywhere else too.
Like someone else has posted can you even fathom what porsche could do with 7 liters of displacement.

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JimFlat6 said:
Crash and Polo, maybe I can explain the culture gap about this. In Europe high performance cars and racing began as a rich mans sport, like - Polo and Horses. Look in Porsches biography and he states that he was after the "carriage" trade and so was Enzo.

In the US sports cars grew from the middles class.So the
elements of upper class prestige, elegance and luxury presence was not as critcal for the large US sports cars market. Performance was always more important than the combined package.

So the very rich here will consider a Corvette, as class disinction is not as important here- while the very rich of Europe would probably never consider a Corvette. We remain though the largest single markets for Ferrari, Lamborghini
and Porsche. But here people will cross shop or buy both.

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JimFlat6 said:
Porsche wont make a 7 litre sports car. They simply dont have the balls to. Simple. Their focus is on the effete,
and marketing the 911 shape when it comes to production cars.

Look what racing classes the Porsche production cars run in - all slower than Corvette, Aston and Maserati.

Why? Go Look!

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polo said:
It's funny that it is mostly americans comparing the Z06 to porsche. Here in europe we hardly consider it as an option to porsche...
Because porsche is so much more than just performance...

Imagine how much horspower could get porsche with a V8 7.0 liter engine. Certainly much more than 500 HP.

It is the first time GM makes something performance wise with the competition. Took them long enough...But they needed many liters to get it on par.

Any how the Z06 is a great car at a great price, however, it is hardly comparble to a 997 TT except performance wise.

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polo said:
It's funny that it is mostly americans comparing the Z06 to porsche. Here in europe we hardly consider it as an option to porsche...
Because porsche is so much more than just performance...

Imagine how much horspower could get porsche with a V8 7.0 liter engine. Certainly much more than 500 HP.

It is the first time GM makes something performance wise with the competition. Took them long enough...But they needed many liters to get it on par.

Any how the Z06 is a great car at a great price, however, it is hardly comparble to a 997 TT except performance wise.

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devo said:

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RonnieC6Z said:

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Dock (Atlanta) said:

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RonnieC6Z said:
Here in the US (Porsches #1 target market), generally speaking, Vettes are driven by guys that love speed, performance and balls-to-the-wall thrills, and Porsches are driven by exactly what I stated above.

And what data source did you use to come up with that information?

Funny...you did not ask RC the same question when he said that Pimps drive Vettes in Germany.

Sorry Ronnie, but I have to diagree. Most buy it because it's cheap speed, and, unfortunately, cheap everywhere else too.
Like someone else has posted can you even fathom what porsche could do with 7 liters of displacement.

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JimFlat6 said:
Crash and Polo, maybe I can explain the culture gap about this. In Europe high performance cars and racing began as a rich mans sport, like - Polo and Horses. Look in Porsches biography and he states that he was after the "carriage" trade and so was Enzo.

In the US sports cars grew from the middles class.So the
elements of upper class prestige, elegance and luxury presence was not as critical for the large US sports cars market. Performance was always more important than the combined package.

So the very rich here will consider a Corvette, as class distinction is not as important here- while the very rich of Europe would probably never consider a Corvette. We remain though the largest single markets for Ferrari, Lamborghini
and Porsche. But here people will cross shop or buy both.

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Uber-porker said:
I recall reading (perhaps on this website!) that the current 3.6 turbo engine can be coaxed to 700 HP.