Jul 2, 2006 8:59:54 PM
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nberry said:
I believe the the break in period is over rated and more of a prayer.
Jul 2, 2006 9:10:39 PM
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nberry said:
I believe the the break in period is over rated and more of a prayer.
Nick: I wouldn't be so sure. After around 6K miles I noticed that my 997S opened up significantly. It's at least 20% louder and 10% faster, in my subjective opinion. Frankly, it suprises me how much the car improved and I already thought it was great.
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JimFlat6 said:
Obviously Porsche builds the car for their audience. Its also obvious its slower as a sports car when used as a sports car on a track than a Corvette is.
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JimFlat6 said:
Look at the AutoBild track times. The Vette is quicker per lap.
Obviously Porsche builds the car for their audience. Its also obvious its slower as a sports car when used as a sports car on a track than a Corvette is.
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Alan(NJ) said:
well stated by someone who doesn't own or hasn't driven a 997tt - the turbo's torque is wonderfully useful on US roads
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Alan(NJ) said:
well stated by someone who doesn't own or hasn't driven a 997tt - the turbo's torque is wonderfully useful on US roads
Exactly. I feel that many are just talking themselves out of it fighting the urge.
If folks truly don't think much of the 997 Turbo, why bother visiting the 997 Turbo forum!
Heck I don't care much for the Z06, F430, 997S, would I bother wasting time preaching to those owners?
Jul 2, 2006 9:47:56 PM
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nberry said:
I believe the the break in period is over rated and more of a prayer.
Nick: I wouldn't be so sure. After around 6K miles I noticed that my 997S opened up significantly. It's at least 20% louder and 10% faster, in my subjective opinion. Frankly, it suprises me how much the car improved and I already thought it was great.
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Obviously Porsche builds the car for their audience. Its also obvious its slower as a sports car when used as a sports car on a track than a Corvette is.
After the day today, journalists can write any crap they want but the 997 Turbo is fast as hell. Especially in twists and turns. Not to forget one point I always had and I repeat myself again: in the hands of a PRO, the Z06 may be frigging fast, even as fast as a 997 Turbo (they're still reviews, where the Z06 is a tiny tick slowlier but anyway, so be it). But take the average "Joe" driver of a Z06 and the same average "Joe" driver of a 997 Turbo and I promise to you, the 997 Turbo will be faster, simply because it's handling is more refined (easier to drive if you like... ).
So are we all pros? Apparently. I consider myself a slightly above average high power sportscar driver and so are the guys who joined us today. And I highly doubt that one of them would have been faster in a Z06, sorry.
Regarding our driving today: Walter Röhrl would have been proud of us.
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well stated by someone who doesn't own or hasn't driven a 997tt - the turbo's torque is wonderfully useful on US roads
Exactly. I feel that many are just talking themselves out of it fighting the urge.
If folks truly don't think much of the 997 Turbo, why bother visiting the 997 Turbo forum!
Heck I don't care much for the Z06, F430, 997S, would I bother wasting time preaching to those owners?
Nck has a lot of time in his hands, that's why... AND little time to drive his F430. He is limited to just a few miles a year and never fast miles... God forbid the car is used, or it will lose its value. These F-car owners are frustrated adolescents who crave performance, but prefer showing-off instead, driving their could-be sports cars at boulevard speeds just to be seen. By spending his time in P-car forums (other than his Cayenne's forum) fits well a psychological profile of a frustrated car nut. Do not pay attention to him!
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nberry said: ... My 430 has over 4200 glorious miles since Dec 2005. I suspect that is more than some Porsche owners put on their clock....
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nberry said: ... My 430 has over 4200 glorious miles since Dec 2005. I suspect that is more than some Porsche owners put on their clock....
Ah Nick! you are hitting the 5,000 mile limit beyond which the F-car "resale value" starts to plummet. Watch out, time to make it a garage queen.
Jul 3, 2006 12:17:35 PM
Jul 3, 2006 2:19:02 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
Nick, so the 997TT is not a good poseur car, its a performer which is easy to drive fast, does not forgo any safety features, and is more practical and versatile than any other.
You are just irritated because the Turbo's performance shadows the attraction of the F430, which is at the back of the pack behind the TT, Gallardo, Z06, etc...
Live and let live Nick, get over it. The TT is not a poseur car, and doesn't need to be flashy, have bells and whistles, or be limited for only a handful of people who just want it because other don't... the 997TT its the uber-performer in all situations, the is nothing like it, and their prospective owners are very grateful for that.
Jul 3, 2006 2:22:37 PM
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Sorry, to drive a high performance sport car on a daily basis is the quintessential act of a posuer.
Not that it matters to Ferrari owners, as far as performance betweeeen the 430 & 997TT is concerned, it all depends on who is running the test. Please understand that only redeeming quality of the 997TT is to provide some level of competent performance to make up for its lack of excitement, its ordinary look alike look and the financial bath owners will take once the car is delivered.
Jul 3, 2006 4:32:22 PM
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nberry said:
What the Turbo represents to me is the owner is telling the world his appendage is bigger than other Porsche's at least until the GT2 comes out.
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I have no doubt the 997TT will out sell the 430.
In all seriousness, the 997TT is a terrific car but I believe the 997S looks better. Additionally I have difficulty understanding how a Turbo daily driver can deliver more spirited driver than the S. If anything the S would be more fun given it is not a AWD car.
What the Turbo represents to me is the owner is telling the world his appendage is bigger than other Porsche's at least until the GT2 comes out.
I also agree that the 430 and tt are totally two different cars each with their own merits. I can afford to buy a TT but cannot rationalize paying $150,000 for it because of the reasons stated above.
Jul 3, 2006 10:29:55 PM
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Its a bizarre comparison as one car is 2 seat 2wd and the other is a nearly double the price awd 2+2.
The TT is the most profitable car that Porsche makes. Its ironic that Porsche needs to deploy so much technology to come close to a rear wheel drive Chevrolet in straight line
accelleration. And if you look at the Auto Bild comparison test the Porsche loses to the Vette on the track.
Ok, so the TT is the best 997 yet. But its not the sports car best car yet.
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355Spider said:
I don't know why anyone is suprised the Z was faster. The TT weighs 500Lbs more and has quite a bit less hp. The Z06s have all been dynoing at 530hp+. I have one myself and mine dynoed at 530hp taking into consideration a very conservative 13% drivetrain loss. It's been said and is worth saying again. The Z is for cheap speed. And it does it very well. It really is a no brainer to drive from 30mph and up. Just floor it, shift gears and it rips thru speed like nothing else.
I sat in a 997TT the other day adn it was exquisite in every detail. The car is extremely well thought out and put together. But you have to pay for that. And if you want to pay even more for even more drool factor and a kick ass exhaust note. The F430 awaits.
They're all great cars. They're all very close in performance and they all are very well thought out, put together and engineered for their purpose. The Z is a bare bones rocket that sacrifices a few things in the pursuit of performance/$. The 430 is on the opposite end that sacrifices virtually nothing for looks, peformance and details. The TT's in the middle. It's a great time to be a car guy.