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    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Lap time



    911 turbo is very fast

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    nonsense......

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Yes, this review is a load of bull.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    There were reviewers of Road and Track.Don't know if they were just looking or if they participated in the tests.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    The 997 Turbo tested by 4R had serious problem of clutch.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    The Hawk.

    Time lap's are most influenced by tyres.

    F430: PZero Corsa - semislick
    Gallardo: PZero Corsa - semislick
    997 Turbo: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - semislick
    Z06: Goodyear Runflat
    Viper: Goodyear F1 street tyres
    GT40: Goodyear F1 street tyres

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    Cossu said:
    The Hawk.

    Time lap's are most influenced by tyres.

    F430: PZero Corsa - semislick
    Gallardo: PZero Corsa - semislick
    997 Turbo: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - semislick
    Z06: Goodyear Runflat
    Viper: Goodyear F1 street tyres
    GT40: Goodyear F1 street tyres



    The Turbo had the Cup tyres? That's what too slow, as it matches the F430's Corsa times with standard tyres. Something stinks.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Something is wrong here! Turbo tested by QR was with normal Michelin Pilot Sport's, NOT Pilot Cup's(N-rated)... Also, QR stuff killed the clutch! So much about their driving skills!
    BTW, first mag that will test 997 Turbo with semi-slicks is Sport Auto. That 997 Turbo will be manual with optional LSD and sport tires... One hint-maybe with Pirelli Corsa's N-rated!!

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Problem appears to be the shift done between first and second. 3/4 of a second for the 60-70 sector is silly! In otherwords it took .75 secong to go from 60-70kph while it took less than half as much time to go from 50-60kph. It then went down to .49 second to go from 70-80kph. Take a look at the sector times. It is revealing. Interesting.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Quote:
    Cossu said:
    The 997 Turbo tested by 4R had serious problem of clutch.


    Do you work at Ferrari factory?

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    You all forget something... You cant compare the FEELING of driving a F430 with any Porsche... epsecially the new 997tt.
    If you drive a F430 you will believe that you are in a pure racing car!
    Do a test drive and you will understand what i mean... How much costs to rent a F430 for 1 day ?!?!
    Do yourself a gift... Show him the light...

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Guys,

    This car mag. comparo. test epitomizes why most of these comparo's. are a joke, useless, non-scientific cheerleading events for the individual mag's. pet preferences. Including cars with bad clutches, using different types of tire, and using different drivers or different ambient driving conditions renders the data USELESS.

    And our above discussion highlights this.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    Nick_Athens said:
    You all forget something... You cant compare the FEELING of driving a F430 with any Porsche... epsecially the new 997tt.



    Nick, this is supposed to be a PERFORMANCE comparison of SPORTS cars, not a feel-good, group therapy session fit for publication in Psychology Today .

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    Nick_Athens said:
    You all forget something... You cant compare the FEELING of driving a F430 with any Porsche... epsecially the new 997tt.
    If you drive a F430 you will believe that you are in a pure racing car!
    Do a test drive and you will understand what i mean... How much costs to rent a F430 for 1 day ?!?!
    Do yourself a gift... Show him the light...


    Have you driven the 997tt? If not then you don't have a clue what your talking about. The 997tt (with street tires) outperforms the F430 (with corsas) thats all you need to know.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    dhayek said:
    911tt 15.32 from 0 to 200 is crap...those guys should have been on crack during the test



    You should see how fast the 997 Turbo is up to 300 on the speedo...unbelievable.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    dhayek said:
    911tt 15.32 from 0 to 200 is crap...those guys should have been on crack during the test



    You should see how fast the 997 Turbo is up to 300 on the speedo...unbelievable.



    I see somebody isn't taking it too easy during break-in !

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    Crash said:
    I see somebody isn't taking it too easy during break-in !



    I did exactly what I recommended to others. You need to read between the lines, Andrej.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    Crash said:
    I see somebody isn't taking it too easy during break-in !



    I did exactly what I recommended to others. You need to read between the lines, Andrej.



    Okay !

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    Turbo Al said:
    Guys,

    This car mag. comparo. test epitomizes why most of these comparo's. are a joke, useless, non-scientific cheerleading events for the individual mag's. pet preferences. Including cars with bad clutches, using different types of tire, and using different drivers or different ambient driving conditions renders the data USELESS.

    And our above discussion highlights this.


    The driver is the same Nothing about the tires used

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    They must have gotten the 400hp versions of the Z06 and the Porsche. What a joke. Both the Z06 and the Porsche should have ran away from the Ferrari and been just behind the GT.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    The more I look at those numbers, the more I know these guys were either terrible drivers or they were making the numbers up. I mean it took 15.3 seconds for the TT and 14.4 seconds for the Z06 to reach 120. No way. The Z06 is running 11.5@127 with a good driver and the Porsche is 11.5@120. How did this guys lose 3.5-4.5 seconds on those cars? That's an eternity in the QT.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    The Mag is absolutly not Ferrari biast, interesting how u people like a mag when it gives u the results u want, and say its biast when it doesent, did u people forget that this mag tested CGT vs Enzo and Cgt beat it on the track, Oh then u were full of glory about the mag, and how apsolutly true it was. those who find them self in this post are nothing but hypocrits.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Did you see the performance times for th 997tt and Z06? Both of these cars are faster than and F430 yet the times acheived in this test are laughable.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

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    arakis said:
    The Mag is absolutly not Ferrari biast, interesting how u people like a mag when it gives u the results u want, and say its biast when it doesent, did u people forget that this mag tested CGT vs Enzo and Cgt beat it on the track, Oh then u were full of glory about the mag, and how apsolutly true it was. those who find them self in this post are nothing but hypocrits.



    0.75 seconds for a 997tt to go from 60 to 70 k/hr??? Only an ignoramous would believe those numbers! Looks like somebody must have missed a gear! Look at all the other data for all the other cars, there is no other instance where there was such a time span. Duh, wonder why?

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Quote:
    TulsaTurbo said:
    Quote:
    arakis said:
    The Mag is absolutly not Ferrari biast, interesting how u people like a mag when it gives u the results u want, and say its biast when it doesent, did u people forget that this mag tested CGT vs Enzo and Cgt beat it on the track, Oh then u were full of glory about the mag, and how apsolutly true it was. those who find them self in this post are nothing but hypocrits.



    0.75 seconds for a 997tt to go from 60 to 70 k/hr??? Only an ignoramous would believe those numbers! Looks like somebody must have missed a gear! Look at all the other data for all the other cars, there is no other instance where there was such a time span. Duh, wonder why?


    Yeah it took the Z06 2.3 seconds to go from 114-120mph. This driver did himself and his magazine a serious dis
    sevice.

    Re: The worst review ever!(Quattroruote)

    Exactly the same 911 Turbo with the same registration plate, tested by another italian magazine ("Automobilismo") with specific technical support: 0-100 km/h in 3,76 sec. Max speed: 310,6 km/h!!!!!
    Let's Quattroruote tester go to Porsche Driving School in order to learn how to drive a pure 911!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Re: The worst review ever!

    Quote:
    Crash said:






    This post said everything about the test.

    The other thing could be that Italians can't ...

    Don't worry, that's not my opinion.

    Re: The worst review ever!

    Italians, in general, make some really fine magazines (although I read more by intuition than by any real knowledge of Italian ), but this test surprised the heck out of me. The old 996 Turbo could do low 14's to 200 km/h. The only reason I see for this would be surreal temperatures and them counting imperfect runs (misshifting,etc.).

    Re: The worst review ever!

    So isnt the German tests or Van Saurma tests biased??

    Interesting test hoever the Gallardo times are not so good done. especially 0-160 9.4 is not a good time

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    VGA18 said:
    So isnt the German tests or Van Saurma tests biased??

    Interesting test hoever the Gallardo times are not so good done. especially 0-160 9.4 is not a good time



    Von Saurma isn't biased. And yes, the point of this multi-page thread has been the lack of credible results for most of the cars, including the Gallardo . Good morning !

     
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