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Let's see the good part of it, Ferrari is making the best cars in the world.
Demand is so strong that production MUST increase.
Now, I think that an annual production of 10.000 cars won't be too much in term of exclusivity, but only if quality remains.
Premiums are not for US only, an F430 in France is still 5 % over list price at least. An F430 spider 10 % over list.
Since my first 1990 348 a lot of Ferraris have been produced (even since I bought my 360 spider), I never see one in the street...
Gregory
I see the French aren't much different from their american enemies . I would disagree about Ferraris being the best cars in the world, since I believe Porsche comes closer to that title, when considering sports car manufacturers. Also, you can get the Coupé and the Spider at MSRP where I live.
Andrej,
I'm curious, have you ever driven a Porsche and Ferrari? How can you be so sure Porsche are the best.
Also, how many Ferrari dealerships are in Poland?
svtrader (until I know your name), I have driven the 360 and much of the 996 range of Porsches and IMO the Turbo is better, compared to the 360. I would take the 360 over the 996 Carrera, but not the GT3. One of the reasons which immediately tips the scales to Porsche's advantage is the safety. The other reasons you have heard me state many times, so I won't bother reiterating them. Preference is a matter of a specific person, but safety is absolute. A car with a lacking safety record can't be considered the best car, no matter how well it performs (and Ferraris do perform - the 430 is almost as fast as the 997TT, after two years still).
I will just hint at you that my name is Andrej (spelt André) and not Andrzej, which immediately excludes Poland from your list . I'm much nearer Italy than you would like to think.
Agree
....have owned and driven various iterations of 360/430 and 996TTS/997S...IMO, active/passive safety is a fundamental and rate-limiting aspect of how far any risk/reward-sensitive driver would explore any car's performance envelope
F has come a long way in past 5 yrs w/dynamically outstanding cars that are as reliable as any P
, but suffer from primitive and dubious safety systems
....perhaps when F incrs produc vols to 10K+ cars/yr they'll have R&D resources to catch up to P in terms of safety......and, similarly, P has a challenge to develop a PDK box that beats the alleged speed/smoothness/reliability of 599 box (or whatever F's state-of-art box is whenever P finally releases PDK)....
But I prefer a fast 5-speed MB-built Tip w/P software in a
high-torque@2K RPM, unquestionably safe 997TT over the world's fastest tranny in any car w/dubious safety engineering/systems, but w/a leather-bound fire extinguisher w/one's choice of stitching color/thickness.....