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I don't get it. Is there something in the article that puts down the turbo? Because according to the numbers the manual turbo out performed the Vette which already has the reputation of being a MONSTER. And that's not even the reason for buying a car like the turbo over the Vette but it beats the car anyway. And the turbo is neck n neck w/ the Ferrari a car costin tens of thousand more. And all of this doesn't even consider all the other advantages of the turbo like all weather performance potential and THE only car in the test with rear seats. Plus the fact that the turbo is without a doubt the most comfortable car for everyday use. A car that you could just as easily sit in for hours of bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the track. It's all pretty amazing is you look at the car vs. the others w/ an open mind.
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STRADALE said:
I don't get it. Is there something in the article that puts down the turbo? Because according to the numbers the manual turbo out performed the Vette which already has the reputation of being a MONSTER. And that's not even the reason for buying a car like the turbo over the Vette but it beats the car anyway. And the turbo is neck n neck w/ the Ferrari a car costin tens of thousand more. And all of this doesn't even consider all the other advantages of the turbo like all weather performance potential and THE only car in the test with rear seats. Plus the fact that the turbo is without a doubt the most comfortable car for everyday use. A car that you could just as easily sit in for hours of bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the track. It's all pretty amazing is you look at the car vs. the others w/ an open mind.
If you read the test it becomes clear that the F430 is the better car. The F430 is even more comfortable than the 997TT according to AZ...
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I don't get it. Is there something in the article that puts down the turbo? Because according to the numbers the manual turbo out performed the Vette which already has the reputation of being a MONSTER. And that's not even the reason for buying a car like the turbo over the Vette but it beats the car anyway. And the turbo is neck n neck w/ the Ferrari a car costin tens of thousand more. And all of this doesn't even consider all the other advantages of the turbo like all weather performance potential and THE only car in the test with rear seats. Plus the fact that the turbo is without a doubt the most comfortable car for everyday use. A car that you could just as easily sit in for hours of bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the track. It's all pretty amazing is you look at the car vs. the others w/ an open mind.
If you read the test it becomes clear that the F430 is the better car. The F430 is even more comfortable than the 997TT according to AZ...
Even if it is a "better" car according to the writers. You're looking at a car that costs $50,000 more. It BETTA be a better car. Imagine what a 997 turbo would be like w/ an additional $50,000 in aftermarket performance mods. (when they're available of course)
In terms of more being more "comfortable" I think that's crazy. Maybe in a straight line on the highway. In the F430 you're positioned for attack. But when I think of comfort I also think of every day use. Things like getting and out of the vehicle, driving position (none better than the 997 imo), backing up, parking, entering/exiting gas station driveway inclines, potholes, ac/heat, radio/cd, driving in the rain, sitting in traffic, trunk/Storage space, just everyday stuff that you encounter that directs comfort... I'm not putting down the 430, I just ordered one and love the car but saying it's more "comfortable" than the turbo is way off base.
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devo said: besides, the F-car costs 100k more.
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If F ever solved its safety weaknesses and rain-weather traction issues, would only have either 599/430 as my one daily urban commuting and wkend twisties car....but, as a realist, I suspect 997TT Tip will best impress me 95% of time and 599 about 5% of time (when in mood for a paddle-shifter and an exhaust note)....
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I don't get it. Is there something in the article that puts down the turbo? Because according to the numbers the manual turbo out performed the Vette which already has the reputation of being a MONSTER. And that's not even the reason for buying a car like the turbo over the Vette but it beats the car anyway. And the turbo is neck n neck w/ the Ferrari a car costin tens of thousand more. And all of this doesn't even consider all the other advantages of the turbo like all weather performance potential and THE only car in the test with rear seats. Plus the fact that the turbo is without a doubt the most comfortable car for everyday use. A car that you could just as easily sit in for hours of bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the track. It's all pretty amazing is you look at the car vs. the others w/ an open mind.
If you read the test it becomes clear that the F430 is the better car. The F430 is even more comfortable than the 997TT according to AZ...
Even if it is a "better" car according to the writers. You're looking at a car that costs $50,000 more. It BETTA be a better car. Imagine what a 997 turbo could be like w/ an additional $50,000 in aftermarket performance mods. (when they're available of course)
In terms of more being more "comfortable" I think that's crazy. Maybe in a straight line on the highway. In the F430 you're positioned for attack. But when I think of comfort I also think of every day use. Things like getting and out of the vehicle, driving position (none better than the 997 imo), backing up, parking, entering/exiting gas station driveway inclines, potholes, ac/heat, radio/cd, driving in the rain, sitting in traffic, trunk/Storage space, suspension stiffness/adjustability, just everyday stuff that you encounter that directs comfort... I'm not putting down the 430, I just ordered one and love the car but saying it's more "comfortable" than the turbo is way off base.
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If F ever solved its safety weaknesses and rain-weather traction issues, would only have either 599/430 as my one daily urban commuting and wkend twisties car....but, as a realist, I suspect 997TT Tip will best impress me 95% of time and 599 about 5% of time (when in mood for a paddle-shifter and an exhaust note)....
Agreed
I am just of the opinion that it cannot be good for Porsche if the major remaining reason for considering a TT is wet weather performance...
There have been times when TT buyers bought the car because it was the quickest These days are gone, many buyers will be gone sooner or later if Porsche should not complement their product range accordingly (GT2 with PSM etc.).
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Guy's do worry Von Saurma will come to the rescue. He will drive the 997TT around the Ring below 7.50 beating his 430 time by several seconds and you all will be happy again.
Mark my words this review will fade in memory when the pro-Porsche reviewers give it a test on dry streets and not in the snow and ice like most had to endure.
Stradale your wrong about the 430. It is a very relable everyday car should you want to use it as such. It is very comfortable with a more spacious passenger compartment than the TT.
BUT the most important factor is the fun factor. Every review has pretty much discounted this in the 997TT basically saying it is a 996TT but faster. The 996TT was a bore and this car will be the same.
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In summary the 997TT seems to be nothing special compared to competing offers: Just on par with competitors that are in the market for 2-3 years now. The days when a new Porsche TT offered superior performance seem to be over
And this exactly is the biggest compliment for the Italian (and American BTW) competitors!
Fully agreed! And a big reproach for Zuffenhausen: The next generation of competing cars from Italy will most likely be ahead of Porsche. Then Porsche can close their plants. At least as far as I am concerned,
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RE: The F430 - I never said it wasn't reliable or comfortable. I said the 997 is more comfortable.
How can you be so sure, when, you haven't driven both?
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Accept for the fact that it clocked a 7.429 minute lap there. If american cars always get "not so good" ratings, that further reinforces my belief that this magazine is untrustworthy. This test has very little credibility. I think they are using times from previous tests, does the article say otherwise? If not these figures are void because of different test conditions, etc. Have you ever seen the video of a 996 GT3RS beating a f430? The car is not as fast as they claim in this test unless its a ringer.
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Walter said:
I don't understand why some people say that the performance of the Turbo is disappointing.What do you expect?A 0-100km/h in 2secs?0-200km/h in 7sec?
You also have to consider that the Turbo weighs a good 1600kg.That's a bifg difference compared to the Z06 or Ferrari.The Turbo also is the least powerful of them all.
I think the performance of the 997 Turbo is amazing.
BTW which tires did the 997TT have in the test?