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    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    RonnieC6Z said:
    The Chevy small block V8 used in the Z is as bullet proof as any engine around, if not more so!



    I believe BOTH the Chevy small-block/LS7/V8 engine used on the ZO6 and the Porsche GT1-based/3.6L boxer-6 engine on the 911Turbo are excellent powerplants, both under-tuned for marketing purposes, although the 911Turbo alone has more tunable potential as it is already turbocharged. BUT I am keenly interested in the SS (supercharged) version of the 'Vette as the "Blue Devil," which, if JimFlat6 is correct, will also incorporate into the engine, amongst other items, Variocam timing-BTW integrated already into the 911Turbo on the 996TT. However, I will never buy an SS without driving one first, which, if rumours are correct, could be difficult....

    Of course, I can still keep my 996TT, tune it up further to 750 ponies, while I await the 997TTS, and my Noble M400 is due from Indianapolis by truck next Wednesday-as soon as my guy doing the install is done with his work on the Indy 500. Next all I need is to find my way through the archaic maze known as the New York State DMV to register and title the baby.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    VKSF said:
    Well said, Crash....many in US don't seem to understand that 430 and 997TT cost about same in EU; and 430 is about as easy to order and rcv in a few mths as a 997TT....and has similar OK, but not excellent, resale value....

    That said, doubt most of guys in US who claim F's are soooo hard to get at MSRP within a few mths could figure out such seemingly simple games as obtaining a desirable table at a high-powered NYC/LV restaurant/navigating most other business/social situations w/alleged "scarcity"....

    Actually, kind of easy for an enthusiast to stand out from the poseurs, even in CA.....as one LA model/actress wannabe observed recently: in LA, lots of 430s in resale red/tan or silver/blk w/"girlie" brakes that come out to be seen on sunny wkends in dense traffic BevHills .....but even this chick had learned from doing auto shows that the most interesting, bespoke color combos (and CCM'd, racing seated and cf optioned-up) cars tend to be spec'd by serial new F buyers in the Greenwich/SF mkts, rather than the less creative, more resale value-centric LA mkt (Gwich, SF and LA each prob buy 25% of US' new F's, but on 12's the balance prob shifts to 60% Gwich/SF ).....



    Always a pleasure reading your insightful posts

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    mumbasic said:
    Kreso,

    if the TT will need more then 13 seconds to 200 km/h I will call my dealer to cancel my option (already a 90% order).
    If near 13 seconds, I could also take a M6 or spend more money and buy the best sportscar the F599

    But, i believe the time will be around 12.5, isn't it?

    AM



    Adnan, don't worry, I was just joking.
    Regarding the "comparison" time between Tip and manual:
    despite the fact that it depends a lot on the driver of the manual and how well he knows how to operate the clutch and throttle, the tested Tip may not have been equipped with Sport Chrono. And even IF it was: the difference on the paper is 0.6 seconds...from 0-125 mph (200 kph). So you can imagine that there is no "error margin" whatsoever.
    A non professional driver will always be faster with Tiptronic but I think I started to repeat myself again.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    RC said:
    Quote:
    mumbasic said:
    Kreso,

    if the TT will need more then 13 seconds to 200 km/h I will call my dealer to cancel my option (already a 90% order).
    If near 13 seconds, I could also take a M6 or spend more money and buy the best sportscar the F599

    But, i believe the time will be around 12.5, isn't it?

    AM



    Adnan, don't worry, I was just joking.
    Regarding the "comparison" time between Tip and manual:
    despite the fact that it depends a lot on the driver of the manual and how well he knows how to operate the clutch and throttle, the tested Tip may not have been equipped with Sport Chrono. And even IF it was: the difference on the paper is 0.6 seconds...from 0-125 mph (200 kph). So you can imagine that there is no "error margin" whatsoever.
    A non professional driver will always be faster with Tiptronic but I think I started to repeat myself again.



    Repeating might not be the best word. More like adding a (×178) behind the entire statement . Less than a month to go now .

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    mumbasic said:
    Kreso,

    if the TT will need more then 13 seconds to 200 km/h I will call my dealer to cancel my option (already a 90% order).
    If near 13 seconds, I could also take a M6 or spend more money and buy the best sportscar the F599

    But, i believe the time will be around 12.5, isn't it?

    AM



    Adnan, don't worry, I was just joking.
    Regarding the "comparison" time between Tip and manual:
    despite the fact that it depends a lot on the driver of the manual and how well he knows how to operate the clutch and throttle, the tested Tip may not have been equipped with Sport Chrono. And even IF it was: the difference on the paper is 0.6 seconds...from 0-125 mph (200 kph). So you can imagine that there is no "error margin" whatsoever.
    A non professional driver will always be faster with Tiptronic but I think I started to repeat myself again.



    A non professional driver will always be faster from 0-100 km/h with Tiptronic S, this was also with the 996 tt.

    AM

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Well said, Crash....many in US don't seem to understand that 430 and 997TT cost about same in EU; and 430 is about as easy to order and rcv in a few mths as a 997TT....and has similar OK, but not excellent, resale



    In the UK the F430 has 3yr waiting list and used ones go for Pounds2000-Pounds15000 over.
    Porsche dealers have orders to use up next 18M - 2Years allocations of 997TT.
    Base price of the 997TT = Pounds97840 F430 = Pounds121795

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    Persuader said:
    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Well said, Crash....many in US don't seem to understand that 430 and 997TT cost about same in EU; and 430 is about as easy to order and rcv in a few mths as a 997TT....and has similar OK, but not excellent, resale



    In the UK the F430 has 3yr waiting list and used ones go for Pounds2000-Pounds15000 over.



    Though wouldn't a shrewd London arbitrage-minded guy simply go into Germany and get a new F more easily?.....and wouldn't any true London car nut w/resources just get an S65 and driver to navigate London's annoying, NYC-like traffic and get a wkend pad in Munich to house his more interesting F/P anyway....w/derestricted AB and mtn twisties (and decent food/wine) in easy strike range?????

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Quote:
    Persuader said:
    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Well said, Crash....many in US don't seem to understand that 430 and 997TT cost about same in EU; and 430 is about as easy to order and rcv in a few mths as a 997TT....and has similar OK, but not excellent, resale



    In the UK the F430 has 3yr waiting list and used ones go for Pounds2000-Pounds15000 over.



    Though wouldn't a shrewd London arbitrage-minded guy simply go into Germany and get a new F more easily?.....and wouldn't any true London car nut w/resources just get an S65 and driver to navigate London's annoying, NYC-like traffic and get a wkend pad in Munich to house his more interesting F/P anyway....w/derestricted AB and mtn twisties (and decent food/wine) in easy strike range?????



    The reason Britain is expensive, is RHD. Only a limited amount of Ferraris are built that way.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    Crash said:
    The reason Britain is expensive, is RHD. Only a limited amount of Ferraris are built that way.


    The reason Britain is expensive is because Briton like getting price-gouged. Everything is more expensive in London, period.

    Drop the sterling and get on with the program already!


    Another thing, VKSF, is that things are different in Europe. While the European Union certainly has made what you're advocating a lot easier, cultural differences do still exist. Not to mention the obvious linguistic differences.

    Granted, people from Northern Europe routinely spend their summer holidays in Southern Europe. Granted, there are a few areas in France with more British or Dutch nationals than French people. There are a lot of German people in some places in Spain as well. But they usually stay together and don't mingle much with the locals. Not to mention some of the locals feel their ancestral hometown is being "invaded".

    I am looking forward to the United States of Europe. But honestly, I'm afraid it's not going to happen before a least 50 years. Most citizens just don't feel "European".
    And to tell the truth, I only did when I was living in the US. When I was living in Stuttgart, I felt I was French. Hell, when I was living in Paris, I felt I was from Bordeaux.

    All these subtle psychological differences mean the day people have a week-end getaway in another, non-neighboring European country has not come yet. To put it in a nutshell, Americans think 100 years is a long time. Europeans think 100 miles is a long way.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    Although not as convenient, you can legally own, drive and insure a LHD in the UK.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    The ONLY reason I would prefer a F430 over a 997 Turbo right now would be: exhaust sound. Unfortunately the german authoroties limited exhaust sound (there has been some sort of recall) but there are ways to keep the original sound too (hint hint: switch ). Otherwise, I can do much more "stupid" things with the 997 Turbo...unless one of these "stupid" things would be attracting some chicks on the street but I've grown out of that and I'm not having my midlife crisis yet.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    mumbasic said:
    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    mumbasic said:
    Kreso,

    if the TT will need more then 13 seconds to 200 km/h I will call my dealer to cancel my option (already a 90% order).
    If near 13 seconds, I could also take a M6 or spend more money and buy the best sportscar the F599

    But, i believe the time will be around 12.5, isn't it?

    AM



    Adnan, don't worry, I was just joking.
    Regarding the "comparison" time between Tip and manual:
    despite the fact that it depends a lot on the driver of the manual and how well he knows how to operate the clutch and throttle, the tested Tip may not have been equipped with Sport Chrono. And even IF it was: the difference on the paper is 0.6 seconds...from 0-125 mph (200 kph). So you can imagine that there is no "error margin" whatsoever.
    A non professional driver will always be faster with Tiptronic but I think I started to repeat myself again.



    A non professional driver will always be faster from 0-100 km/h with Tiptronic S, this was also with the 996 tt.

    AM


    No that is just plainly not true!! The 996 turbo tip was embarassing slower than the manual!! Basic driving skill would enough to leave the tip dozens of meter behind on a 0-250 race.. I've done it myself.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    GT said:
    No that is just plainly not true!! The 996 turbo tip was embarassing slower than the manual!! Basic driving skill would enough to leave the tip dozens of meter behind on a 0-250 race.. I've done it myself.



    Who is talking about the 996 Turbo regarding 0-250 kph time?

    Regarding 0-100 kph acceleration, most drivers had a hard time to be able to keep up with a 996 Turbo Tiptronic. Hint hint: the rear axle tends to show traction problems when you don't find the right clutch/throttle position and rpm range when accelerating from standstill. We call it "trampeln" in German, don't know the right word in English.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    The English expressions for that are "Axel Tramp" and
    "Wheel Hop" Basically the half shafts wind up and the CV
    joints cant keep up with them.

    If the 997TT's Tiptronic does eliminate that then it is worth every cent.

    Its Porsches one big flaw that you cant rev them up, dump the clutch and streak off like in Pontiac TransAm. LOL.


    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    JimFlat6 said:
    If the 997TT's Tiptronic does eliminate that then it is worth every cent.



    It doesn't happen in the 997 Turbo Tiptronic. Not even sure if it happens in the manual version anymore.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    It was there on the 997 I drove last weekend.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    So, on 5th June new AMS 13/2006 will be on newsstands all over Europe. I will post test data on Wednesday evening. Of course, if some of the germans members do not do that earlier!

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    KresoF1 said:
    So, on 5th June new AMS 13/2006 will be on newsstands all over Europe. I will post test data on Wednesday evening. Of course, if some of the germans members do not do that earlier!



    Anything? What are the data?

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

    So what times did they acheive? If you could scan the article that would be much appreciated, if not, please give us the details. Thanks in advance.

    Re: 997 Turbo first test in AMS 13/2006

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    RC said:
    The ONLY reason I would prefer a F430 over a 997 Turbo right now would be: exhaust sound. Unfortunately the german authoroties limited exhaust sound (there has been some sort of recall) but there are ways to keep the original sound too (hint hint: switch ). Otherwise, I can do much more "stupid" things with the 997 Turbo...unless one of these "stupid" things would be attracting some chicks on the street but I've grown out of that and I'm not having my midlife crisis yet.



    Absolutely agree about the exhaust sound... F430 sounds spectacular.
    RC... your wife will be waiting for you at home with a frying pan when you get to that "midlife crisis".

     
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