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Mar 16, 2017 8:42:47 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5175, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Grant:
nberry:
BTW, according to AP the new GT3 engine should be good for 300,000 miles without any adjustments. I doubt many keep their cars that long.

It was actually 300,000 km (186k miles) - still pretty long. And I read in some of the literature that any valve adjusts will be free forever if needed...

The 300,000 km target is the standard Volkswagen corporate quality target and is exceeded in the real world as the quality metric is quite severe. Even Bugatti and Lamborghini have to meet the same test targets which, in contrast to the AMG's recent statement on its new wonderkind needing rebuilds every 30,000 miles.

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Mar 16, 2017 8:48:31 PM

Ziggy: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1600, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2004; Reply to: LP997

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LP997:
Platinum is the best of both world black/silver is my point of view ;)

+1. This is my opinion too.

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Mar 16, 2017 9:05:52 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Ziggy

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

The upside of Platinum is that when they get brake dust on them, you can't tell...

The downside of Platinum is that they look like they have brake dust on them when they are clean...

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Mar 16, 2017 9:07:01 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Get CCB if you don't like brake dust. They don't produce any.

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Mar 16, 2017 9:26:07 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: noone1

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

noone1:
Get CCB if you don't like brake dust. They don't produce any.

Not exactly the best choice for serious track fun because they don't last even close to what Porsche promises for normal street usage and replacement is very expensive. Only one of the disadvantages for (serious) track addicts.

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Mar 16, 2017 9:40:37 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: noone1

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noone1:
Get CCB if you don't like brake dust. They don't produce any.

Well, they do a bit, but it's super-easy to clean off. I really miss that. The wheels on my GT3 are a right pain to keep clean surprise

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Mar 16, 2017 9:45:06 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

RC:
noone1:
Get CCB if you don't like brake dust. They don't produce any.

Not exactly the best choice for serious track fun because they don't last even close to what Porsche promises for normal street usage and replacement is very expensive. Only one of the disadvantages for (serious) track addicts.

The gap is closing though.. those big iron discs aren't exactly cheap either, and the OE drilled Brembos crack pretty quickly. The latest gen CCBs last a lot longer than the previous ones on track. Won't be long til the costs are comparable.

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Mar 16, 2017 9:48:44 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Yes, the latest PCCB generation is quite good but still not really good for extreme track fun. For weekend fun, yes. For semi-professional fun on serious tracks with serious driving...not really.

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Mar 16, 2017 9:49:52 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

DaveGordon:

The gap is closing though.. those big iron discs aren't exactly cheap either, and the OE drilled Brembos crack pretty quickly. The latest gen CCBs last a lot longer than the previous ones on track. Won't be long til the costs are comparable.

I wish Porsche would change to a different supplier (Surface Transforms who make the Movit brakes) - much longer life as the material is the same all the way through the thickness (PCCB just has two thin laminates for the friction surfaces).

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Mar 16, 2017 9:52:36 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Grant

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Yeah, the Movits are very impressive. Expensive though!

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Mar 16, 2017 9:55:58 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: DaveGordon

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I wish Porsche would put a road-homologated version of the slotted Cup disc on the GT3 - would be soo much better.

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Mar 16, 2017 10:00:57 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Kobalt:
AP interview:

https://drivetribe.com/p/N1iJceABSqWYcs6CgiJIEQ?iid=PABec0QiTKCaI0cvoFVUIg

Love his closing comments - that's what its all about for a true petrolhead.

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Mar 16, 2017 10:01:31 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

DaveGordon:
I wish Porsche would put a road-homologated version of the slotted Cup disc on the GT3 - would be soo much better.

You can fit those from Brembo (Type III or Type V) after you use the original rotors (and then just keep the aluminum hats with new frictions rings as you wear them out). Not too expensive...

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Mar 16, 2017 10:02:56 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Grant

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Hehe.. I wish.. not on the road at least with the Swiss fun-police..

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Mar 16, 2017 10:03:10 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

In Europe, especially in Germany but in many other countries as well, exchanging vital car parts without proper street legal certification is not only illegal but can get you in serious trouble (manufacturer warranty, insurance issues and so on). Just saying...

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Mar 16, 2017 10:04:40 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

RC:
In Europe, especially in Germany but in many other countries as well, exchanging vital car parts without proper street legal certification is not only illegal but can get you in serious trouble (manufacturer warranty, insurance issues and so on). Just saying...

Ok, don't want to get you in trouble. Very common here...

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Mar 16, 2017 10:16:12 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Grant:
The upside of Platinum is that when they get brake dust on them, you can't tell...

The downside of Platinum is that they look like they have brake dust on them when they are clean...

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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Exactly! I hated them. Even after a good wash they looked dirty. That's why I am going with silver this time. At least when they are clean, they look good.

What is in vogue regarding cars depends on the type of car. Porsche cars are not stylish. They are function over form. That's why black as an exterior color or black wheels don't suit the car. The car needs accessories to enhance its appearance.

Black hide lines on any object particularly cars. If one is ashamed of his car, Black is a great color. Smiley Smiley

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Mar 16, 2017 10:19:19 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: nberry

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*looking at my garage full of black cars with satin platinum wheels*

Hmm.............

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Mar 16, 2017 10:41:17 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Nick, I had you in mind. How does it feel to be ashamed of those Ferrari's and Porsche's?

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Mar 16, 2017 11:25:40 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: nberry

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*Oops, the Ferrari has black wheels*

Well that's why I bought a Lamborghini Huracan!!

In black with satin platinum wheels no less

But hey, at least my Turbo 3.6 will have silver wheels on black smiley

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Mar 17, 2017 12:06:03 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Have I told you guys that I am getting my R8 rims painted black (original Audi look/color)? indecision I really tried hard to get used to the titanium (platinum ) look of the rims but I just couldn't, even if I liked them for a while. Black looks so much better. You know the saying: Once you go black... smiley angry

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Mar 17, 2017 8:44:35 AM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrberichte/mitfahrt-porsche-911-gt3-991-2-2017-so-faehrt-der-sauger-mit-handschaltung-11932...

yellow and Manual test ;)

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Mar 17, 2017 8:48:17 AM

Jeannot: Expert; Loc: Currently in Hong-Kong , Switzerland; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2005; Reply to: LP997

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...dream car...this new GT3 looks amazing...even tempted to go through the pain of the traffic jams to go see it in the flesh Geneva :-)

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Mar 17, 2017 8:49:58 AM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: Jeannot

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Mar 17, 2017 11:33:26 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: LP997

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

What in the world is going on here !!!!!

Please tell me the 9k redline is limited only on their demo cars heart

GT3 Manual

911 R

GT3 PDK

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Mar 17, 2017 12:27:33 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Video:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/video/mitfahrt-porsche-991-2-gt3-2017-11932985.html

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Mar 17, 2017 1:58:56 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

BiTurbo:
What in the world is going on here !!!!!

Please tell me the 9k redline is limited only on their demo cars

Peak power is at 8250 if I remember correctly . But you can go all the way to 9 k . Where is the problem ?

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Mar 17, 2017 2:48:08 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: BiTurbo

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BiTurbo:
What in the world is going on here !!!!!

Please tell me the 9k redline is limited only on their demo cars

Someone said that the car has a rev limiter at 8,500 rpm when the Sport button is off and 9,000 rpm with the Sport button on (adds Rev matching). Not sure if this is true or not. But having the red dotted line at 8,500 rpm simply shows a caution (like Yellow line) with hard limit at 9,000 rpm. Seems reasonable to me...

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Mar 17, 2017 2:52:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Gnil:
BiTurbo:
What in the world is going on here !!!!!

Please tell me the 9k redline is limited only on their demo cars

Peak power is at 8250 if I remember correctly . But you can go all the way to 9 k . Where is the problem ?

Gnil - this is true that the power peak is 750 rpm before the redline, but this is typical. Many people assume that it would be faster to shift at 8,250 rpm because of this, but this is a common misunderstanding. If we drive around at only one engine speed (like with CVT gearbox), then yes 8,250 rpm would be the fastest place. But we drive most of the time at changing engine speeds and we want the average engine speed to be as close to peak for as long as possible. Shifting at 9k makes the engine speed closer to 8,250 rpm in the next higher gear when we shift. If we shift at 8,250, then the engine speed is too low in the next higher gear for best performance...

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Mar 17, 2017 3:16:34 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

Video of the GT3.2 review. Enjoy this incredible car ;)

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/video/mitfahrt-porsche-991-2-gt3-2017-11932985.html

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