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nberry:

Black wheels are losing their appeal. Silver wheels with Sapphire Blue would be perfect.

To you maybe...because you never liked them in the first place.  

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

imho black wheels are like matt paint - not a fad I was a fan of and will be glad to see it pass as many reasonable cars (mine included) seem to be afflicted by it.

So - I've been late to the GT3 party and although I'm on the list, and given my buying history considered a good candidate, I'll not get one in 2017. However if I am successful, it will probably be my last 911 so a keeper for sure. Any UK folks have slots they're likely to pass on?

991 Carrera Black\Black, XC90 Black\Black, 120 Cab Black\Coral Red - 2 kids, 1 dog

bridggar:

imho black wheels are like matt paint - not a fad I was a fan of and will be glad to see it pass as many reasonable cars (mine included) seem to be afflicted by it.

Matte paint has a revival in metallic tones...expensive as hell with some manufacturers. 

I agree, those matte plain black or grey colors...not really great looking anymore. The good thing is though: Most younger people who loved to use this color for their older Volkswagens, BMWs, etc., mostly using cheap wrapping foil, have apparently walked away from these colors, so these colors aren't really that bad anymore. 

So - I've been late to the GT3 party and although I'm on the list, and given my buying history considered a good candidate, I'll not get one in 2017. However if I am successful, it will probably be my last 911 so a keeper for sure. Any UK folks have slots they're likely to pass on?

The 991.2 GT3 is indeed a keeper in my opinion but be aware that the tech won't be cheap to maintain.  

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

RC:

The 991.2 GT3 is indeed a keeper in my opinion but be aware that the tech won't be cheap to maintain.  

Which tech do you mean?  With regard to the solid valve lifters, my understanding is that any necessary adjustments are covered under warranty for the life of the car (I was surprised to see that - I'll have to look to find it if someone needs to see it)...

73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant:

RC:

The 991.2 GT3 is indeed a keeper in my opinion but be aware that the tech won't be cheap to maintain.  

Which tech do you mean?  With regard to the solid valve lifters, my understanding is that any necessary adjustments are covered under warranty for the life of the car (I was surprised to see that - I'll have to look to find it if someone needs to see it)...

As a keeper, I assume he wants to keep the car for at least 5-10 years. Then, this tech gets expensive to repair and to maintain. Just imagine you need a new engine after five years...take a deep breath when you ask for the price tag.  Not that it is much different with other GT models...

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

RC:

As a keeper, I assume he wants to keep the car for at least 5-10 years. Then, this tech gets expensive to repair and to maintain. Just imagine you need a new engine after five years...take a deep breath when you ask for the price tag.  Not that it is much different with other GT models...

Right - any new GT3 motor costs a fortune.  But shouldn't this one last much longer than the one in the 991.1 GT3, 911R, and RS?  And it has no additional risks (that we know of yet) - seems like it should be cheaper in the long run (until we learn of something bad/scary) than those...

73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Like I said before...991.2 GT3 is a keeper. Everything moves towards hybrids and turbo charging, I really have strong doubts there will be another pure n/a engine in the next GT3 generation.

You never know though...Porsche will "milk" the GT cow as long as possible and this is basically the only car in this category with a n/a engine...and a manual option. So maybe they are going to build another one with the 992 model designation because let's be real here: The high revving n/a GT engine and/or manual make this car so special.

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I think like you next platform "992" gt models goes turbo for sure. But i think a 991.2 RS arrived quickly in limited or not?

997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

LP997:

I think like you next platform "992" gt models goes turbo for sure. But i think a 991.2 RS arrived quickly in limited or not?

Could be, but I guess I'd be surprised if they didn't continue to amortize the development of the new engine and gearbox and use it in future models (maybe more like 911R than GT3).

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Grant:

LP997:

I think like you next platform "992" gt models goes turbo for sure. But i think a 991.2 RS arrived quickly in limited or not?

Could be, but I guess I'd be surprised if they didn't continue to amortize the development of the new engine and gearbox and use it in future models (maybe more like 911R than GT3).

True but there is still time...

Today I heard a rumor that Porsche may have pushed back the GT2 RS introduction because they decided to use a different engine. I just hope that this is not just the old rumor, just retold. 

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I am not one to keep cars. My motto is "use them, lose them". I like better.

BTW, according to AP the new GT3 engine should be good for 300,000 miles with an adjustments. I doubt many keep their cars that long.

Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?

"A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."

nberry:

BTW, according to AP the new GT3 engine should be good for 300,000 miles without any adjustments. I doubt many keep their cars that long.

It was actually 300,000 km (186k miles) - still pretty long.  And I read in some of the literature that any valve adjusts will be free forever if needed...

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RC:

Grant:

LP997:

I think like you next platform "992" gt models goes turbo for sure. But i think a 991.2 RS arrived quickly in limited or not?

Could be, but I guess I'd be surprised if they didn't continue to amortize the development of the new engine and gearbox and use it in future models (maybe more like 911R than GT3).

True but there is still time...

Today I heard a rumor that Porsche may have pushed back the GT2 RS introduction because they decided to use a different engine. I just hope that this is not just the old rumor, just retold. 

He take the 4.0 motor of the GT3.2 with turbo??...

997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

nberry:

I am not one to keep cars. My motto is "use them, lose them". I like better.

BTW, according to AP the new GT3 engine should be good for 300,000 miles with an adjustments. I doubt many keep their cars that long.

Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?

Cool?  

Every time I see a GT3 or GT3 RS with silver rims, I ask myself: Why the heck does the owner his car to look...elegant? 

Seriously: I think black rims fit sporty cars but I am probably in a minority here. Car manufacturers seem to think the same though, looking at the many sportscars offered with black rims as standard options. 

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"Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?"

You mean like the ricers and Porsches with the big wings on the rear end??

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DaveC:

"Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?"

You mean like the ricers and Porsches with the big wings on the rear end??

  Good one. 

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I am not a big fan of silver wheels, but even less of black. Platinum / grey is my favourite.

2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White

Platinum is the best of both world black/silver is my point of view ;) 

997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

My hat's off to whomever can tell me which will be in vogue next. We kind of cycle through the same colors over the course of a few years

Agreed - and in 15 years or so - retro! (I actually caught myself admiring the small proportions of a 2002 996 C2 yesterday - just looks so dinky). I'm actually leaning towards GT silver & platinum wheels - it's a dream at this point but if called tomorrow to confirm my order - it's probably what I'd go for right now...

991 Carrera Black\Black, XC90 Black\Black, 120 Cab Black\Coral Red - 2 kids, 1 dog

If i could spec one now, this would be it:

- GT Silver/PCCB/LWB/CS/Manual

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mcdelaug:

My hat's off to whomever can tell me which will be in vogue next. We kind of cycle through the same colors over the course of a few years

Best thing is: Just don't care and you'll be fine. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

DaveC:

"Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?"

You mean like the ricers and Porsches with the big wings on the rear end??

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"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill

 

 

Good point but the difference is the wing on the Porsche is there for a functional purpose. On a ricer, it's to be a wannabe.

"A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."

nberry:

DaveC:

"Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?"

You mean like the ricers and Porsches with the big wings on the rear end??

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"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill

 

 

Good point but the difference is the wing on the Porsche is there for a functional purpose. On a ricer, it's to be a wannabe.

On a parking lot? Driving 30 mph in a city?  

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

One thing worth considering is the EU noise regs.. although the 991.2 GT3 may not be the last NA GT3, it will presumably be the last loud one..   Any 992 GT3 would have to conform to the latest regs if I'm not wrong..?

2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1

RC:

nberry:

DaveC:

"Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?"

You mean like the ricers and Porsches with the big wings on the rear end??

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"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill

 

 

Good point but the difference is the wing on the Porsche is there for a functional purpose. On a ricer, it's to be a wannabe.

On a parking lot? Driving 30 mph in a city?  

Come on now your comments are becoming ludicrous. During the day we don't need headlights but we still have them.

"A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."

nberry:

On a parking lot? Driving 30 mph in a city?  

Come on now your comments are becoming ludicrous. During the day we don't need headlights but we still have them.

I meant Porsche owners raising their wing manually to show off while driving in the city. I guess 90% of the Porsche cars with retractable wings in the US drive like that.  

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DaveGordon:

One thing worth considering is the EU noise regs.. although the 991.2 GT3 may not be the last NA GT3, it will presumably be the last loud one..   Any 992 GT3 would have to conform to the latest regs if I'm not wrong..?

I wouldn't worry too much about that, that's easily solved in the after market. 

1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E / 2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2014 BMW-Alpina B3 biturbo Touring Allrad

nberry:

I am not one to keep cars. My motto is "use them, lose them". I like better.

BTW, according to AP the new GT3 engine should be good for 300,000 miles with an adjustments. I doubt many keep their cars that long.

Finally, regarding black wheels. one time they were considered hip but today considered ricer. Think about it. When you see a Porsche with black wheels what comes to mind?

When you have access to more parking spaces, you will start to keep them.

I never ever will reach that kind of mileage in any of my cars.  My 2006 club coupe just pass 41000km.

As for black wheels, you guys are over-thinking.  I have black wheels on club coupe and RS as they hide dirt much better.  I'm getting old and am washing my cars less often now.

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
 

Porker:

DaveGordon:

One thing worth considering is the EU noise regs.. although the 991.2 GT3 may not be the last NA GT3, it will presumably be the last loud one..   Any 992 GT3 would have to conform to the latest regs if I'm not wrong..?

I wouldn't worry too much about that, that's easily solved in the after market. 

Not street legal though since these new regulations affect tuners and third party parts as well. 

The thing with street legal in Germany is: If you modify your car with a part which isn't street legal, the whole car looses it's technical certification. Worst case scenario: In case of an accident, the insurance refuses to pay because your car is has no technical certification anymore. It happened, bad bad thing to happen on a 200k car. 

In other countries, the regulations may be less strict, don't know.

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