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    Apr 28, 2006 7:55:17 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    Euh? The Cayman IS a Boxster Coupe with a stiffer suspension and more HP... Sorry. How many parts do they share? 95%+

    The fact that Porsche markets it as a different cars is just a genius marketing ploy to charge $5K more than the Boxster S when it should be between $5K and the same price.



    Everybody knows that - except some Caymanites that like to delude themselves that their icon is Porsche's top model, somewhere above the Carrera GT.

    Apr 28, 2006 8:11:54 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    The Cayman is not just a Boxster Coupe, but a seperate model in the Porsche line-up. Price is based on performance and appeal, aswell as marketing placement (just like the 997).




    Euh? The Cayman IS a Boxster Coupe with a stiffer suspension and more HP... Sorry. How many parts do they share? 95%+

    The fact that Porsche markets it as a different cars is just a genius marketing ploy to charge $5K more than the Boxster S when it should be between $5K and the same price.



    But this has no relevance! At the end of the day it is a more performance capable car, no matter how close the relation! I seriously doubt that there is a Euro 100k cost difference to produce a Garrado than a Cayman; yet the sell price is that different!! Why should cost of production have ANY relation to sale cost??? It never has in the past to Porsche, so why complain now???

    Apr 28, 2006 8:20:50 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    I seriously doubt that there is a Euro 100k cost difference to produce a Garrado than a Cayman;



    What's a Garrado?

    Apr 28, 2006 8:26:09 PM

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    I seriously doubt that there is a Euro 100k cost difference to produce a Garrado than a Cayman;



    What's a Garrado?



    A Gallardo made in China.

    Apr 28, 2006 8:50:39 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    I seriously doubt that there is a Euro 100k cost difference to produce a Garrado than a Cayman;



    What's a Garrado?



    A Gallardo made in China.





    If I believed that I'd believe that the Cayman wasn't a Boxster coupe

    Apr 28, 2006 9:04:24 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    You're not supposed to agree, you're supposed to argue with me, that's how these threads carry on - even if you do agree!



    Sorry, I'll try harder next time. I am clearly out of practice.


    No you're not!
    (Is this a five-minute arguement, or the full half hour?)



    Oh, OK. Now I recognize it. Monty Python.

    Apr 28, 2006 9:13:53 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    The Cayman is not just a Boxster Coupe, but a seperate model in the Porsche line-up. Price is based on performance and appeal, aswell as marketing placement (just like the 997).




    Euh? The Cayman IS a Boxster Coupe with a stiffer suspension and more HP... Sorry. How many parts do they share? 95%+

    The fact that Porsche markets it as a different cars is just a genius marketing ploy to charge $5K more than the Boxster S when it should be between $5K and the same price.



    But this has no relevance! At the end of the day it is a more performance capable car, no matter how close the relation! I seriously doubt that there is a Euro 100k cost difference to produce a Garrado than a Cayman; yet the sell price is that different!! Why should cost of production have ANY relation to sale cost??? It never has in the past to Porsche, so why complain now???



    So then one can assume that the cars in the UK (RHD) perform better than ROW (RHD)? The price difference there is all about development costs that need to be spread over a smaller population. Sure the actual cost of the materials and labor may not be any higher, but there are fixed costs to take into account.

    Apr 28, 2006 9:15:29 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    According to Porsche, the Cayman shares 60% of the parts with the Carrera, 20% with the boxster and 20% new parts.
    I'm quoting from memory, but it's close to that. Certainly not 95% Boxster parts.

    Apr 28, 2006 9:40:50 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    According to Porsche, the Cayman shares 60% of the parts with the Carrera, 20% with the boxster and 20% new parts.
    I'm quoting from memory, but it's close to that. Certainly not 95% Boxster parts.



    So the Cayman is a mid engined Carrera coupe, then? , in which case a Boxster must be a mid engined Carrera convertible It isn't but if it makes you happy to think that then who am I to burst your bubble?

    Apr 28, 2006 9:42:09 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    According to Porsche, the Cayman shares 60% of the parts with the Carrera, 20% with the boxster and 20% new parts.
    I'm quoting from memory, but it's close to that. Certainly not 95% Boxster parts.



    Just be sitting in the two cars, you'll see how much there is in common. If the Cayman shares more parts with a Carrera than with the Boxster, you'd need to identify how many parts are identical between the carrera and the boxster.
    What's this all about? BMW does not make a fuss with their Z3/Z4 coupes...they just sell less of them and that's fine with everybody

    Apr 28, 2006 9:47:16 PM

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    If the Cayman shares more parts with a Carrera than with the Boxster, you'd need to identify how many parts are identical between the carrera and the boxster.




    At a guess I would say about 60%

    Apr 28, 2006 10:27:31 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    Strange, tht's not at all what I said, but you will take from my comments what you will. I'm certainly happy with my choice, as I'm sure you are.

    Apr 28, 2006 11:03:33 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    But we're still diverting of the subject in hand! I couldn't care less what percentage of parts it shered: It looks different, handles different, feels different, therefore in my opinion; IS DIFFERENT!! So why compare it to a price of a Boxster??? I don't think they'll be many considering wether their next car will be Cayman or Boxster. It will be more likely "997 or Cayman?" "M3 or Cayman?" "RS4 or Cayman?" So WHY the %*&$ should it compare in price with a Boxster?????????

    Apr 28, 2006 11:21:31 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    You are correct, it is different, and for people who just want a coupe, you have a point.

    But the real question IMHO is convertible or not.
    Ususally people on tight budget get the coupe as usually the convertible is more money ($10K in case of the 997), in this case it is less, what a bargain.

    Apr 29, 2006 7:31:13 AM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    But we're still diverting of the subject in hand! I couldn't care less what percentage of parts it shered: It looks different, handles different, feels different, therefore in my opinion; IS DIFFERENT!! So why compare it to a price of a Boxster??? I don't think they'll be many considering wether their next car will be Cayman or Boxster. It will be more likely "997 or Cayman?" "M3 or Cayman?" "RS4 or Cayman?" So WHY the %*&$ should it compare in price with a Boxster?????????



    Well it certainly doesn't look different other than it is a Boxster with a coupe roof, and the interior is identical in every respect apart from the cowl over the instruments. It handles slightly better, and it is only marginal, due to the greater rigidity of the fixed roof and it has got a better engine, particularly at the top end of the rev range, but it still feels like a Boxster S to me as you would expect due to the fact it is part of the Boxster family, as it's type designation infers. The main difference is whether the buyer wants an open top or a sleek coupe and that's down to personal choice.

    But just out of interest, which components do you believe the Cayman shares with the Carrera that the Boxster doesn't? Obviously the Variocam Plus components on the engine, but I can't think of anything else....

    May 3, 2006 11:22:17 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    But we're still diverting of the subject in hand! I couldn't care less what percentage of parts it shered: It looks different, handles different, feels different, therefore in my opinion; IS DIFFERENT!! So why compare it to a price of a Boxster??? I don't think they'll be many considering wether their next car will be Cayman or Boxster. It will be more likely "997 or Cayman?" "M3 or Cayman?" "RS4 or Cayman?" So WHY the %*&$ should it compare in price with a Boxster?????????



    With this same logic (or lack there of) I now present the Carrera Cab which is no longer a 911 but a Cabriolet.

    May 4, 2006 12:40:34 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    But we're still diverting of the subject in hand! I couldn't care less what percentage of parts it shered: It looks different, handles different, feels different, therefore in my opinion; IS DIFFERENT!! So why compare it to a price of a Boxster??? I don't think they'll be many considering wether their next car will be Cayman or Boxster. It will be more likely "997 or Cayman?" "M3 or Cayman?" "RS4 or Cayman?" So WHY the %*&$ should it compare in price with a Boxster?????????



    With this same logic (or lack there of) I now present the Carrera Cab which is no longer a 911 but a Cabriolet.



    And I present to all the Carrera 4S Cab formerly known as 911 and so on and so forth...

    May 4, 2006 7:53:36 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    What if some day they decide to make a Coupe version of that Carrera Cab?

    May 4, 2006 8:22:56 PM

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    What if some day they decide to make a Coupe version of that Carrera Cab?



    Then the coupe owners will deny that it has anything to do with the Carrera cab, and probably insist that 60% of its parts are shared with the Space Shuttle.

    May 4, 2006 9:10:06 PM

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    What if some day they decide to make a Coupe version of that Carrera Cab?



    Then the coupe owners will deny that it has anything to do with the Carrera cab, and probably insist that 60% of its parts are shared with the Space Shuttle.



    Then I would start worrying about the reliability of my chosen mode of transport!

    May 5, 2006 12:21:00 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    I don't think they'll be many considering wether their next car will be Cayman or Boxster. It will be more likely "997 or Cayman?"



    If I was in the market for another Boxster I'd consider the Cayman as an alternative, because they are different versions of the same basic car and my choice would be based on the different merits of each. If I was in the market for a 997 then I certainly wouldn't consider a Cayman.

    May 5, 2006 4:10:01 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    Someone said "how p'ed will Cayman owners be if Boxster gets same engine"

    I just don't get that. Why would you (I) be upset?

    I love the Cayman. It shares a lot with the Boxster, but it is exactly what it is.. a Cayman S. My Cayman S. I love it. I respect and enjoy the Boxster S, but I didn't want one, but that doesn't mean I am unhappy if someone can buy a Boxster with the same engine. Why would I be? Look at the two cars next to each other, drive them both. They are different and they are similar. I wanted one enough to buy it and not the other. I bought the car for me, not for someone else. If I talked to a Boxster owner who buys one with the Cayman S engine, I would say "cool, it's great isn't it?" I can't compute why someone would have a different response than that.

    If you don't like the value equation for a specific car, don't buy it. If you do, do. Your satisfaction need not change because of a future model change. If so, you must really struggle with buying computers!

    Many things are relative, but my enjoyment of my scrumptuous Cayman S interior is not hurt by the fact that someone else with the exact same set of options in a Boxster has an ALMOST identical interior.

    But, mine goes to 11.

    May 5, 2006 4:20:36 PM

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    Someone said "how p'ed will Cayman owners be if Boxster gets same engine"

    I just don't get that. Why would you (I) be upset?

    I love the Cayman. It shares a lot with the Boxster, but it is exactly what it is.. a Cayman S. My Cayman S. I love it. I respect and enjoy the Boxster S, but I didn't want one, but that doesn't mean I am unhappy if someone can buy a Boxster with the same engine. Why would I be? Look at the two cars next to each other, drive them both. They are different and they are similar. I wanted one enough to buy it and not the other. I bought the car for me, not for someone else. If I talked to a Boxster owner who buys one with the Cayman S engine, I would say "cool, it's great isn't it?" I can't compute why someone would have a different response than that.

    If you don't like the value equation for a specific car, don't buy it. If you do, do. Your satisfaction need not change because of a future model change. If so, you must really struggle with buying computers!

    Many things are relative, but my enjoyment of my scrumptuous Cayman S interior is not hurt by the fact that someone else with the exact same set of options in a Boxster has an ALMOST identical interior.

    But, mine goes to 11.



    May 5, 2006 4:48:52 PM

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    Someone said "how p'ed will Cayman owners be if Boxster gets same engine"

    I just don't get that. Why would you (I) be upset?

    I love the Cayman. It shares a lot with the Boxster, but it is exactly what it is.. a Cayman S. My Cayman S. I love it. I respect and enjoy the Boxster S, but I didn't want one, but that doesn't mean I am unhappy if someone can buy a Boxster with the same engine. Why would I be? Look at the two cars next to each other, drive them both. They are different and they are similar. I wanted one enough to buy it and not the other. I bought the car for me, not for someone else. If I talked to a Boxster owner who buys one with the Cayman S engine, I would say "cool, it's great isn't it?" I can't compute why someone would have a different response than that.

    If you don't like the value equation for a specific car, don't buy it. If you do, do. Your satisfaction need not change because of a future model change. If so, you must really struggle with buying computers!

    Many things are relative, but my enjoyment of my scrumptuous Cayman S interior is not hurt by the fact that someone else with the exact same set of options in a Boxster has an ALMOST identical interior.

    But, mine goes to 11.



    Totally agree with all you've said.

    May 5, 2006 4:54:43 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    Hat off to you, Mark Obviously you're a real Porsche- enthusiast and gentleman with a "live and let live" attitude

    May 5, 2006 5:56:18 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    That is a great attitude. I though have a dilema in that I prefer the Cayman because its a coupe but just can't justify spending Pounds5000 more the Boxster S, which is a brilliant car (even before it gets 295bhp). However, to me the Boxster is now technically second best to the Cayman so I don't really want that either.

    Well done Porsche!

    May 5, 2006 6:39:14 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

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    Someone said "how p'ed will Cayman owners be if Boxster gets same engine"

    I just don't get that. Why would you (I) be upset?

    I love the Cayman. It shares a lot with the Boxster, but it is exactly what it is.. a Cayman S. My Cayman S. I love it. I respect and enjoy the Boxster S, but I didn't want one, but that doesn't mean I am unhappy if someone can buy a Boxster with the same engine. Why would I be? Look at the two cars next to each other, drive them both. They are different and they are similar. I wanted one enough to buy it and not the other. I bought the car for me, not for someone else. If I talked to a Boxster owner who buys one with the Cayman S engine, I would say "cool, it's great isn't it?" I can't compute why someone would have a different response than that.

    If you don't like the value equation for a specific car, don't buy it. If you do, do. Your satisfaction need not change because of a future model change. If so, you must really struggle with buying computers!

    Many things are relative, but my enjoyment of my scrumptuous Cayman S interior is not hurt by the fact that someone else with the exact same set of options in a Boxster has an ALMOST identical interior.

    But, mine goes to 11.



    You make Austonians look good. Totally agree. The perfect car for me is doesn't have to be the same for someone else.

    May 5, 2006 6:40:56 PM

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    Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...

    i ordered my cayman last week and will hopefully be getting it in 2 months. while iam a little bothered that the bosxter might get the same hp as the cayman i am also very curios about the marketing-explanation porsche is going to deliver.
    i mean they stuck so much power and money in explainin everyone thats cayman is a separate model..i mean look at the photos on the porsche homepage, where they have their complete lineup: boxster, cayman, 911 & cayenne.

    nick

    May 5, 2006 7:24:34 PM

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    nick1: congrats, you will love the car. I have found myself looking forward to driving it more and more as a month or so has gone by. The little things and the big things come together to make it fit like a glove (a leather wrapped, body lean-less, aurally pleasing (not orally, you gutter dwellers ), beauty of a glove).

    May 5, 2006 9:43:07 PM

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    mark34: yes! i cant wait to get the car..i put somany options in it its gonna be the most exclusive Cayman in my city!

    i just hope they still postition it as an "independent model"...i like this idea more.

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