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Apr 27, 2006 9:58:10 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: Nick_Athens

Re: GT2 coming in fall already!

I'm not that surprised that it could be available. As (I think it was) RC pointed out earlier, Porsche have all the basic parts put together already, they just have to "systems engineer" the package. The only real question I see is - where does the extra horsepower come from? If the powerkit is really not worked out yet (maybe it is...) - and a 3.8L displacement would really get into serious engineering especially with regard to the VGT design - is it just more agressive mapping?

I can't wait to find out more on this! We did recently see cammo'ed spy pics of the GT2... and the front bumper didn't have dimples (fog lights) which made it look even better!

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Apr 27, 2006 10:19:08 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: W8MM

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Just to be nosy, the CGT was pure. The GT2 looks like a pimped up Volkswagen. Time to umpimp ze auto?

You're soooo naughty

The GT2 does come with the improved 1000 year fan belt.

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Apr 27, 2006 10:34:08 PM

RonnieC6Z: Co-Pilot; Loc: california; Posts: 194, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Crash

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GT2 Will be again a Disaster (in sales for Porsche) if it is again WITHOUT REASON SO much more expensive that the 997tt...

It might be a sales disaster, but it will be the fastest thing on the road.

Are you serious?

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Apr 27, 2006 10:52:57 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: RonnieC6Z

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GT2 Will be again a Disaster (in sales for Porsche) if it is again WITHOUT REASON SO much more expensive that the 997tt...

It might be a sales disaster, but it will be the fastest thing on the road.

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. And with the fastest thing on the road I mean cars that can actually travel at their top or near-top speeds for even several hours (european highways), not the tuner rockets that explode during a 2-minute run. Stock-for-stock, I can't really see any car being faster.

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Apr 27, 2006 11:05:00 PM

RonnieC6Z: Co-Pilot; Loc: california; Posts: 194, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Crash

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Aisxos said:
GT2 Will be again a Disaster (in sales for Porsche) if it is again WITHOUT REASON SO much more expensive that the 997tt...

It might be a sales disaster, but it will be the fastest thing on the road.

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. And with the fastest thing on the road I mean cars that can actually travel at their top or near-top speeds for even several hours (european highways), not the tuner rockets that explode during a 2-minute run. Stock-for-stock, I can't really see any car being faster.

Let me think...Saleen S7TT, Veyron, SS, Maybe the 599GTB.

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Apr 27, 2006 11:14:38 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: RonnieC6Z

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997 GT2 needs to be priced in the $150-160K range . If it's near 200K again , it may sell OK the first year and then SIT at dealers therafter , just like the 996 GT2 .
If it's 160K , with PDK , then I'm interested , since my kids are suddenly too tall to fit ( and gripe trying to ) in the back seats of a Turbo .

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Apr 28, 2006 7:10:45 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: RonnieC6Z

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Aisxos said:
GT2 Will be again a Disaster (in sales for Porsche) if it is again WITHOUT REASON SO much more expensive that the 997tt...

It might be a sales disaster, but it will be the fastest thing on the road.

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. And with the fastest thing on the road I mean cars that can actually travel at their top or near-top speeds for even several hours (european highways), not the tuner rockets that explode during a 2-minute run. Stock-for-stock, I can't really see any car being faster.

Let me think...Saleen S7TT, Veyron, SS, Maybe the 599GTB.

Saleen S7TT? Not really reliable and very low production.
Veyron? Are you kidding? There are not going to be 5 cars driving around.
SS? While Heinrich certainly liked gas, it wasn't in the automotive kind of way...
599GTB? It will be beaten by the GT2, you'll see.

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Apr 28, 2006 8:42:02 AM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Crash

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good news...but no pdk for sure...

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Apr 28, 2006 8:58:39 AM

Jeannot: Expert; Loc: Currently in Hong-Kong , Switzerland; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

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What happened with the PDK?
It was rumoured on the 997 GT3 and/or TT.
Now not for the GT2 either? Is it going to be introduced at all?

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Apr 28, 2006 9:37:11 AM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Jeannot

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from my "reliable" source ,pdk should be available mid to end 2007 for all the range...

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Apr 28, 2006 9:49:40 AM

Rami: Senior; Loc: Belgium; Posts: 760, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

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I've heard the opposite Dhayek

Seems it will be introduced with the GT3RS but it will NOT be available on the 'daily driver' models bc Porsche finds the system not smooth enough to use in a daily car?

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Apr 28, 2006 9:54:13 AM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: Rami

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I havent heard anything and my dealer doesnt know...

maybe we will find out in one or two weeks..

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Apr 28, 2006 9:55:29 AM

Rami: Senior; Loc: Belgium; Posts: 760, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: Nick_Athens

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Any special reason why you think it might become public in 1 or 2 weeks Aisxos?

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Apr 28, 2006 10:57:35 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Rami

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I've heard the opposite Dhayek
Seems it will be introduced with the GT3RS but it will NOT be available on the 'daily driver' models bc Porsche finds the system not smooth enough to use in a daily car?

Should they introduce PDK in the new GT3RS and should GT3RS and GT2 be introduced in fall 06 the logical consequence would be that PDK might also be available in the GT2...

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Apr 28, 2006 4:34:05 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

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Porsche likes to make a lot of money. Porsche mgmt will not leave ANY $5-10K option ( PDK ) laying on the table. Expect it to roll out across the whole line .

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Apr 28, 2006 10:15:39 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: Nick_Athens

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Porsche will have to do something with the GT2 to justify the extra cost - now more than ever - if the new AWD system in the TT really responds better than the old viscous coupling; and the integrated system really uses that better performance to propell the TT quicker off a dead start. Could it be that the TT and the GT2 will be closer together performance-wise than ever? Maybe that added HP is displacement??

We've heard that the tip now outperforms the manual, overcoming weight and converter losses; could it be that the AWD will now more than make up for its own weight?

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Apr 28, 2006 11:07:45 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: davew (cincy)

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A GT2 with a super agressive AWD?

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Apr 28, 2006 11:09:05 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

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A GT2 with a super agressive AWD?

I doubt it. The weight penalty would be severe.

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Apr 28, 2006 11:10:28 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Crash

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True, didn't think of the weight.

An AWD with super light composite materials? To justify the $200K price?

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Apr 28, 2006 11:48:26 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

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True, didn't think of the weight.

An AWD with super light composite materials? To justify the $200K price?

If they can make an AWD system, which will disconnect itself unless conditions demand its operation for less drivetrain loss and fit it into a car, that in the end won't weigh more than 3000 lbs, I'm game. However, many purists would disagree with the approach, since the GT/RS cars have always been RWD.

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Apr 29, 2006 12:44:32 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: turbolite

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According to AMS the GT2 will be introduced this fall together with the GT3 RS.
2seater, RWD and 530 HP as well as a sporty suspension setup!

Relax...

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Apr 29, 2006 1:59:59 PM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: RonnieC6Z

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Aisxos said:
GT2 Will be again a Disaster (in sales for Porsche) if it is again WITHOUT REASON SO much more expensive that the 997tt...

It might be a sales disaster, but it will be the fastest thing on the road.

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. And with the fastest thing on the road I mean cars that can actually travel at their top or near-top speeds for even several hours (european highways), not the tuner rockets that explode during a 2-minute run. Stock-for-stock, I can't really see any car being faster.

Let me think...Saleen S7TT, Veyron, SS, Maybe the 599GTB.

slower than the Saleen TT and Veyron maybe, but it will be faster than the 599.... The new Turbo will be kinda close to the 599 in any case

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Apr 29, 2006 4:14:07 PM

BD 997: Veteran; Loc: Boston, MA USA; Posts: 833, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 16, 2005; Reply to: Crash

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...beyond fast....

I suspect faster than a Ruf 550 GT2. And faster than a Murcielago LP640.

the 997 TT tip is already faster than the LP640

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Apr 29, 2006 5:01:56 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: BD 997

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...beyond fast....

I suspect faster than a Ruf 550 GT2. And faster than a Murcielago LP640.

the 997 TT tip is already faster than the LP640

You do not honestly believe that? The 997TT is much slower than LP640 or 599GTB in the straight line. The difference 0-200kph is almost a second. And I would expect a growing gap above 200kph.

I hope that the GT2 will be quicker...

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Apr 29, 2006 9:15:26 PM

ale75: Junior; Loc: piacenza-italy; Posts: 70, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 10, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC said:
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turbolite said:
According to AMS the GT2 will be introduced this fall together with the GT3 RS.
2seater, RWD and 530 HP as well as a sporty suspension setup!

Relax...

Rc, do you have more info about GT2? relase date? power?etc

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Apr 29, 2006 10:25:39 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ale75

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Rc, do you have more info about GT2? relase date? power?etc

The GT2 is not coming this fall. This is the only thing I know now. Everything else is speculation.
I'm not 100% sure but I think that this autumn will be the time of the Targa and GT3 RS. Next year, the 997 Turbo Cab should be the most important product. And funny enough, I heard about another 997 variant but not even a rumor has been available yet (and no, it is not the GT2).

Porsche has to be careful not to put too many new products on the market, this could confuse customers and also create some sort of "saturation".

So the rumors are currently looking like this:
1. 2006: 997 GT3RS, 997 Targa
2. 2007: 997 Turbo Cab, 997 Carrera RS (just a vague rumor), Cayenne "Facelift"
3. 2008: 997 GT2, 997 Facelift
4. 2009: 997 Turbo S, Panamera

This is NOT an official schedule, just one based on current rumors. It may not be very accurate, so PLEASE DO NOT make your buying/ordering decisions based on this schedule.

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Apr 29, 2006 10:30:04 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: RC

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Rc, do you have more info about GT2? relase date? power?etc

The GT2 is not coming this fall. This is the only thing I know now. Everything else is speculation.
I'm not 100% sure but I think that this autumn will be the time of the Targa and GT3 RS. Next year, the 997 Turbo Cab should be the most important product. And funny enough, I heard about another 997 variant but not even a rumor has been available yet (and no, it is not the GT2).

Porsche has to be careful not to put too many new products on the market, this could confuse customers and also create some sort of "saturation".

So the rumors are currently looking like this:
1. 2006: 997 GT3RS, 997 Targa
2. 2007: 997 Turbo Cab, 997 Carrera RS (just a vague rumor), Cayenne "Facelift"
3. 2008: 997 GT2, 997 Facelift
4. 2009: 997 Turbo S, Panamera

This is NOT an official schedule, just one based on current rumors. It may not be very accurate, so PLEASE DO NOT make your buying/ordering decisions based on this schedule.

Could AMS be that wrong about the timing of the GT2 introduction? And also, the GT2 mules look pretty refined already... They might launch the GT2 sooner than usual to satisfy former TT customers who do not like the TT as introduced

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Apr 29, 2006 11:59:04 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC said: And funny enough, I heard about another 997 variant but not even a rumor has been available yet (and no, it is not the GT2): 2007 997 Carrera RS (just a vague rumor)

I wonder how this product would be marketed? Lighter than GT3RS with the wet-sump motor and Japanese Aisin tranny (dry-sump motor and Getrag gearbox in the GT3 are heavier)? Similar to 997S X51 with -20mm suspension/LSD and stripped out interior? Same price as 997S X51? Hmmmm....

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Apr 30, 2006 1:34:55 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Grant

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RC said: And funny enough, I heard about another 997 variant but not even a rumor has been available yet (and no, it is not the GT2): 2007 997 Carrera RS (just a vague rumor)

I wonder how this product would be marketed? Lighter than GT3RS with the wet-sump motor and Japanese Aisin tranny (dry-sump motor and Getrag gearbox in the GT3 are heavier)? Similar to 997S X51 with -20mm suspension/LSD and stripped out interior? Same price as 997S X51? Hmmmm....

Grant,

Could a 997CRS interfere with a possible 997GT3RS purchase?

And have you considered the 997GT2 as an option for the track?

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Apr 30, 2006 1:36:29 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: Grant

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RC said: And funny enough, I heard about another 997 variant but not even a rumor has been available yet (and no, it is not the GT2): 2007 997 Carrera RS (just a vague rumor)

I wonder how this product would be marketed? Lighter than GT3RS with the wet-sump motor and Japanese Aisin tranny (dry-sump motor and Getrag gearbox in the GT3 are heavier)? Similar to 997S X51 with -20mm suspension/LSD and stripped out interior? Same price as 997S X51? Hmmmm....

I always thought the GT3 was the 996 version of the 993 RS. The only way I see the RS actually having a niche is a VERY light weight (probably lots of carbon and aluminum, under 3000 lbs) and a GT3 block with maybe the old GT3 specs. It has to be radically light and has to have the 964 engine block, otherwise it's going to be a disaster.

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