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Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
Well, the answers on these question is pretty short-no power increase for Cayman S. Price for Boxster S(with 3.4l Cayman S engine) will go up at least 5000Euro IMO.
Both base Boxster and Cayman will get more powerfull version of 2.7l(variocam plus) engine.
Same engines in Boxster and Cayman in all version-lower production cost for Porsche-more money out of costumers pocket-more cash flow for Porsche.
That how is work in Porsche clinic these days...
Both base Boxster and Cayman will get more powerfull version of 2.7l(variocam plus) engine.
Same engines in Boxster and Cayman in all version-lower production cost for Porsche-more money out of costumers pocket-more cash flow for Porsche.
That how is work in Porsche clinic these days...
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Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
I think that concept of not having the same pricing/engine/name was a funny marketing concept from the start. They pushed so much the 'it's a different car concept' that it's funny.
Porsche leaflet on the Cayman referred to a Porsche from the old days, quoting how much the Cayman derived from this model (sorry, forgot the 9xx number)...and not a word on the Boxster!!! To tell potential customer the Cayman derives purely from a classic and not from the Boxster is a joke (sorry a marketing trick)
Anyway, I like the Cayman, but I still can't understand the equation:
$ coupe > $ cabriolet with HP for coupe > HP for cab
(not mentionning even the weight....)
Porsche leaflet on the Cayman referred to a Porsche from the old days, quoting how much the Cayman derived from this model (sorry, forgot the 9xx number)...and not a word on the Boxster!!! To tell potential customer the Cayman derives purely from a classic and not from the Boxster is a joke (sorry a marketing trick)
Anyway, I like the Cayman, but I still can't understand the equation:
$ coupe > $ cabriolet with HP for coupe > HP for cab
(not mentionning even the weight....)
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
I agree that the Cayman is essentially a hardtop rebadge of the Boxster, a trick I see GM perform but did not expect from Porsche. But in all honesty I will be surprised if the Boxster S reaches price parity with the Cayman S in 1 year, even if they have identical powerplants. Over a few years? Perhaps so, but I suspect there will be a several percentage point price increase on the Boxster S, a smaller one (if any) on the Cayman, and that IF they ever reach parice parity, it will occur overa few years, not just one. And how will Porsche explain this? Simple...they won't. It will be presented as a "fait accomplit" and the customers will get to accept or reject it as they see fit.
Purely speculation on my part.
mcdelaug
Purely speculation on my part.
mcdelaug
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
How p'd will Cayman owners be if the 987S gets the same engine ? - the price will rise no doubt, but only to justify the ludicrous premium of the Cayman in the first place. IF BMW had been sensible about the pricing of the Z4M then Porsche could have been in real trouble with its pricing structure, as it is they can justify raising the 987S and still be cheaper than the bimmer
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
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SciFrog said:
Not that much different from offering the new 997 with the old 996 engine then "introducing" an S version, for 10K more, knowing that the S version should have been the standard version.
Come on, they added 5hp on the 3.6l powerplant
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
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mcdelaug said:
They can get away with it because there is no perfect competition. Some are close but not close enough for buyers to leave Porsche. So the torture of marginal upgrades continues.
mcdelaug
I agree and I think their strongest competition is from older used Porsches.
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
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mcdelaug said:
They can get away with it because there is no perfect competition. Some are close but not close enough for buyers to leave Porsche. So the torture of marginal upgrades continues.
mcdelaug
I agree and I think their strongest competition is from older used Porsches.
Grant, you should sell that line to Porsche for use in their advertising.
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
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mcdelaug said:
It will be presented as a "fait accomplit" and the customers will get to accept or reject it as they see fit.
Isn't that how free market economies work?
Absolutely - and rumour has it that demand is not that great for the Cayman
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
It's not unsurprising, as customers do not expect the coupé version to be more expensive than the convertible version. As far as I can tell, only one other car attempted that: the Peugeot 404 in the 1960's.
Of course, hardly anyone bought the coupé.
Marketing can be funny sometimes, and I wouldn't be surprised if the combined sales of all 987 picked up after the Boxster S gets its $5k raise.
Of course, hardly anyone bought the coupé.
Marketing can be funny sometimes, and I wouldn't be surprised if the combined sales of all 987 picked up after the Boxster S gets its $5k raise.
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
IMO Porsche will do it, AND with only a marginal price raise of 2 or 3% for the Boxster S.
This shows ONCE AGAIN how little respect Porsche has for its customers.
Boxster S owners :
Cayman S owners :
Everybody to their dealers :
The VIP at PORSCHE :
Oh, I did forget one group of customers, that's THE ONLY GROUP that Porsche loves (FUTURE BUYERS) : THE NEW BOXSTER S OWNERS :
, because they still have to order (or just did) AND PAY for their cars PoundsPounds Euro Euro Euro $$$$...!!!!!
This shows ONCE AGAIN how little respect Porsche has for its customers.
Boxster S owners :
Cayman S owners :
Everybody to their dealers :
The VIP at PORSCHE :
Oh, I did forget one group of customers, that's THE ONLY GROUP that Porsche loves (FUTURE BUYERS) : THE NEW BOXSTER S OWNERS :
, because they still have to order (or just did) AND PAY for their cars PoundsPounds Euro Euro Euro $$$$...!!!!!
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The Groom said:
It's not unsurprising, as customers do not expect the coupé version to be more expensive than the convertible version.
yawn...
But true, like it or not.
All Porsche cars are overpriced, yet all are great which is why we pay the money. There's no complaint at the 997 being overpriced, even at Pounds15k more than a Cayman!
The Cayman is not just a Boxster Coupe, but a seperate model in the Porsche line-up. Price is based on performance and appeal, aswell as marketing placement (just like the 997).
And even so, the sky may be blue; but you don't hear me posting the fact 10 times a day!
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
Let me re-iterate my point...
Porsche cars are not priced based on cost of materials, as I'm in no doubt that through-out the whole line-up, porsche make different margins on each model. Prices aren't calculated based on cost plus 25% margin!! They're based on how good the car will be, how popular it will be, and target audience. So if you're going to argue about the price of the Cayman, why not have a check at how much each of the other models cost porsche to make compared to how much they're sold for.
Porsche cars are not priced based on cost of materials, as I'm in no doubt that through-out the whole line-up, porsche make different margins on each model. Prices aren't calculated based on cost plus 25% margin!! They're based on how good the car will be, how popular it will be, and target audience. So if you're going to argue about the price of the Cayman, why not have a check at how much each of the other models cost porsche to make compared to how much they're sold for.
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vanilla said:
Let me re-iterate my point...
Porsche cars are not priced based on cost of materials, as I'm in no doubt that through-out the whole line-up, porsche make different margins on each model. Prices aren't calculated based on cost plus 25% margin!! They're based on how good the car will be, how popular it will be, and target audience. So if you're going to argue about the price of the Cayman, why not have a check at how much each of the other models cost porsche to make compared to how much they're sold for.
I agree - a knowledgeable Rennteamer told me that he had calculated that Porsche pays Valmet around 9,000 euros to assemble each Boxster (or Cayman, presumably). Sounds like a pretty hefty profit by the time you or me write the cheque, even allowing for the cost of the components. Porsche aren't the world's most profitable car company because they are stupid, that's for sure.
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vanilla said:
Let me re-iterate my point...
Porsche cars are not priced based on cost of materials, as I'm in no doubt that through-out the whole line-up, porsche make different margins on each model. Prices aren't calculated based on cost plus 25% margin!! They're based on how good the car will be, how popular it will be, and target audience. So if you're going to argue about the price of the Cayman, why not have a check at how much each of the other models cost porsche to make compared to how much they're sold for.
I agree - a knowledgeable Rennteamer told me that he had calculated that Porsche pays Valmet around 9,000 euros to assemble each Boxster (or Cayman, presumably). Sounds like a pretty hefty profit by the time you or me write the cheque, even allowing for the cost of the components. Porsche aren't the world's most profitable car company because they are stupid, that's for sure.
You're not supposed to agree, you're supposed to argue with me, that's how these threads carry on - even if you do agree!
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Grant said:Quote:
mcdelaug said:
They can get away with it because there is no perfect competition. Some are close but not close enough for buyers to leave Porsche. So the torture of marginal upgrades continues.
mcdelaug
I agree and I think their strongest competition is from older used Porsches.
Grant, you should sell that line to Porsche for use in their advertising.
They have used it before!
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dreamcar said:Quote:
vanilla said:
You're not supposed to agree, you're supposed to argue with me, that's how these threads carry on - even if you do agree!
Sorry, I'll try harder next time. I am clearly out of practice.
No you're not!
(Is this a five-minute arguement, or the full half hour?)
Maybe, then, Porsche should continually change the price of their models, depending on their sales success... kinda like the stock market...
There was a pub over here that did that - The more people drank a beer, the more expensive it became. Had a ticker going along the top of the bar and everything.
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wtsnet said:
Maybe, then, Porsche should continually change the price of their models, depending on their sales success...
Judging by the number of Cayman I've seen on the road (1) my Porsche dealer will be a bit like Tesco's - buy two Boxsters and get a free Cayman.
Re: If the Boxster S gets the Cayman engine...
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vanilla said:
The Cayman is not just a Boxster Coupe, but a seperate model in the Porsche line-up. Price is based on performance and appeal, aswell as marketing placement (just like the 997).
Euh? The Cayman IS a Boxster Coupe with a stiffer suspension and more HP... Sorry. How many parts do they share? 95%+
The fact that Porsche markets it as a different cars is just a genius marketing ploy to charge $5K more than the Boxster S when it should be between $5K and the same price.
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