Kobalt:Let's hope they have manuals available for the press in May (or whenever that event takes place).
I think they want all the magazines to get pdk to test for numbers, then they'll give Chris Harris Manual to slide around and gush about the involvement
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Grant:Kobalt:Let's hope they have manuals available for the press in May (or whenever that event takes place).
I think they want all the magazines to get pdk to test for numbers, then they'll give Chris Harris Manual to slide around and gush about the involvement
Sport Auto will have two cars for their reviews: One PDK car for the Nordschleife (apparently Porsche insisted on PDK, no surprise here...they don't want to be slower ) and one car for normal reviews and maybe Hockenheim (possibly even in comparison to the PDK version). This is an excellent idea in my opinion.
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Mar 9, 2017 3:00:39 PM
Just had a look at the new car - very nice. Rear styling/spoiler changes are pretty subtle. I prefer the new front - looks very neat. Rear diffuser is quite big and looks like it will be a 'service item'. Plastic vanes though so should be cheap.
Don't like the striped seats, but otherwise
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Mar 9, 2017 3:13:11 PM
Grant:RC:Porsche seems to make a big deal out of the secrecy about a new 991.2 GT3 RS, probably because they want to sell the GT3 first.
Porsche is smart to offer RS with pdk only - this means they'll have no problem selling out the GT3 (and RS)...
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No idea if they will ever release the real numbers but I doubt manuals will account for much more than 20% of all GT3 sales.
Mar 9, 2017 3:19:55 PM
DaveGordon:Luckily I was able to blend in with the other hundreds of people looking at it with little effort. I don't think anyone noticed me
Good job, agent 0911.
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SciFrog:No idea if they will ever release the real numbers but I doubt manuals will account for much more than 20% of all GT3 sales.
Well, they released the Manual take rate for the 911R and it was 100% No trouble selling those for $40k more...
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Every recent Manual GT Department car has sold like crazy (with big premiums). No reason to believe the market is saturated yet. Just because you can't imagine choosing manual over PDK (or a wing over wingless), doesn't mean all the buyers agree...
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Sorry but it is just an opinion based on an educated guess. Practicality and ultimate performance will trump nostalgia when times comes to choose the options. Recently people bought manuals because they though it was the last one. Doesn't seem like the last one is anywhere close...
SciFrog:Sorry but it is just an opinion based on an educated guess. Practicality and ultimate performance will trump nostalgia when times comes to choose the options. Recently people bought manuals because they though it was the last one. Doesn't seem like the last one is anywhere close...
I think some markets will be heavily skewed to PDK, but I think overall worldwide manual sales will be well over 20% (probably at leastdouble that for US).
The performance delta is way smaller than what most people think. PDK is a big advantage for 0-60 due to launch control. But on most road courses (where the GT3 lives), the manual will be very close to PDK (especially with the enhanced redline and torque where 7 gears is not much advantage anymore).
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nberry:To what extent will the performance numbers comparing PDK-S to MT influence those who initially preferred MT?
I think the real question is: To the extent that there is almost no performance advantage for PDK-S on a road course, would you still forego the pleasure of manual shifting?
Can't wait to see the laptime comparisons at Hockenheim that RC mentioned. The 911R beat the 991.1 GT3 and the new GT3 will be quicker than the R for sure. I expect the cars to be within a couple or few tenths.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
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My dealer said that all new GT3 pre-orders he has so far are all...PDK. Of course this isn't really saying much but still...
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RC:My dealer said that all new GT3 pre-orders he has so far are all...PDK. Of course this isn't really saying much but still...
Will just make my car more collectible
Germany is definitely a market where I expected big volume advantage for PDK.
RC, as an Autobahn guy you should prefer Manual - it has a higher top speed
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Mar 9, 2017 6:43:55 PM
SciFrog:martini964:Grant:RC:Will just make my car more collectible
In 10 to 20 years, surely... But as long as manual 911 come out the line...
How long do you expect manual with an NA motor that revs to 9,000 rpm?
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RC:Ziggy:RC, all - So is the 911.2 GT3 RS a sure thing now or is it still up in the air?
Rumors are getting stronger...
One of our sources says the car comes for sure but probably after the GT2 RS.
Our sources with Porsche Motorsport are limited, so...
Thank you and to all others who provided input on this subject!
RC:My dealer said that all new GT3 pre-orders he has so far are all...PDK. Of course this isn't really saying much but still...
In my opinion, it is a shame to order such an engineering-optimized car with manual, in a sense it defeats its purpose. It is like pairing the courses of a menu at a Michelin-starred restaurant with cheap wine.
SciFrog:Sorry but it is just an opinion based on an educated guess. Practicality and ultimate performance will trump nostalgia when times comes to choose the options. Recently people bought manuals because they though it was the last one. Doesn't seem like the last one is anywhere close...
Practicality and ultimate performance will never trump driver's involvement and feeling. That is why manual still sells.
I have met enough people on track days who said they want manual because it is more fun than PDK.
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Ziggy:RC:My dealer said that all new GT3 pre-orders he has so far are all...PDK. Of course this isn't really saying much but still...
In my opinion, it is a shame to order such an engineering-optimized car with manual, in a sense it defeats its purpose. It is like pairing the courses of a menu at a Michelin-starred restaurant with cheap wine.
When Ferrari went to all paddle shifter, they were asked why they did not offer MT. The answer;
The car was designed for performance and the F1 transmission is designed to enhance that performance. MT does not enhance performance.
Seriously if someone feels strongly that MT is more fun to drive, they should considered a Miata or other cheaper cars which offer MT. It make no sense to handicap the GT3 with MT.
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