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    Apr 15, 2006 12:44:45 PM

    Eliot
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    Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Hi,

    Sportauto supertested the mighty Pagani Zonda F!



    Nordschleife: 7.33min 10/10 points
    Hockenheimring: 1.10,8min 10/10 points
    0-100km/h: 3,8s
    0-200km/h: 11,4s
    200-0km/h: 4,4s (12,6m/s2!!)
    0-200-0km/h: 15,8s 10/10 points
    Aerodynamics: front 1kg and rear 25kg downforce 10/10 points
    Transverse acceleration: 1,4g 10/10 points
    Slalom course (36m): 137km/h 10/10 points
    Evasive course (110m): 159km/h 10/10 points
    Wet handling course: 1.34,2min 5/10 points

    What a car...
    Anyone got 631.040 Euro over?

    Cheers,
    Chris

    Apr 15, 2006 1:01:04 PM

    dsts6
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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    how does that compare to the CGT and enzo and koenigsegg

    Apr 15, 2006 1:07:03 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Quote:
    dsts6 said:
    how does that compare to the CGT and enzo and koenigsegg



    Yes, exactly, could somebody please post the sport auto times for those other 3 cars?

    Apr 15, 2006 1:29:32 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Quote:
    Danny G said:
    Quote:
    dsts6 said:
    how does that compare to the CGT and enzo and koenigsegg



    Yes, exactly, could somebody please post the sport auto times for those other 3 cars?



    Yes please ...


    Love the avatar Eliot

    Apr 15, 2006 1:31:54 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Enzo not tested by Sport Auto...
    CGT Hockenheim: 1.08,6min Nordschleife: 7.32min
    Koenigsegg Hockenheim: 1.09,8min Nordschleife: 7.34min

    Apr 15, 2006 1:38:57 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Ferrari never gave Sportauto an Enzo for supertesting - I wonder why?

    I've attached a comparison between CGT, CCR and Zonda F.

    Look here for Nürburgring laptimes:
    http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073

    Cheers,
    Chris

    P.S.: Thanks BC997J!

    Apr 15, 2006 1:49:56 PM

    95jersey
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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Beautiful car, definately has the wow and exclusivity factor, but based on numbers it's not that impressive, since the Z06 did the Hockenheim in: 1.11,5, with less power and more weight.

    Apr 15, 2006 1:55:08 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    CGT's still the car to beat...

    Apr 15, 2006 1:58:55 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    ...still most bang for the buck!

    Apr 15, 2006 4:27:59 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    the Pagani Zonda F is sure an amazing piece of art..
    but the CGT is still the Master


    p.s.
    Eliot, do you have your avatar in bigger resolution ?

    Apr 15, 2006 7:31:50 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    My avatar is stolen from www.lambo-power.com !

    Support them if you like it:
    http://www.lambo-power.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1560

    Cheers,
    Chris

    Apr 15, 2006 7:33:22 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Apr 15, 2006 7:36:16 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Another funny one, but not as good as the previous:

    Apr 15, 2006 8:17:10 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    I've maximized it to 1280x1024 if someone's looking for a new wallpaper!

    Apr 15, 2006 8:50:35 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    ahahahahha!!!
    thanks for the pics Eliot

    Apr 15, 2006 8:52:43 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Shall I rename the topic of this thread to Lambo vs. Ferrari pics?

    Have fun!
    Chris

    Apr 15, 2006 8:58:27 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Eliot, the "new" Lamborghini crest is very funny and it proves a good amount of humor. BUT: I'm not sure it is suitable for kids.

    Apr 15, 2006 9:02:10 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Hi RC,
    feel free to delete them, in case it is inappropriate!

    Bye
    Chris

    Apr 16, 2006 3:01:31 AM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    I see the Lambo community feelings of inferiority are on full display in this thread...:)

    Gary

    Apr 16, 2006 5:24:17 AM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Your avatar is nothing compared to what Ferrari does to its customers.

    Apr 16, 2006 5:34:02 AM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Jimfalt6 I literaly burst out laughing when I read your post ....Hillarious....but true

    Apr 16, 2006 5:35:46 AM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    I'm gonna post those pics in the Ferrari board ...

    Apr 16, 2006 12:54:52 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Eliot, the "new" Lamborghini crest is very funny and it proves a good amount of humor. BUT: I'm not sure it is suitable for kids.



    RC,

    you'd be surprised at what kids today know, so unless there are 5-year-olds browsing these forums, I don't see a problem. If they are, however, I think this is a great way for them to learn which marques are better than the others

    Apr 16, 2006 5:28:03 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    It shows how amazing the car is!
    7:33 is a top class time that makes the Zonda F the fastest road car on the ring currently on the market.
    Pagani is only a new brand and now qualifies as a true supercar. I look forward to what their next car in less than 2 years will be like. To start from nothing and be up there with car companies over 50 years old is truly amazing, I hope Pagani is here to stay as the maker of the most outrageous cars.

    Apr 16, 2006 5:39:02 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    CGT's time is still the one to beat, even if it is just 1min!

    But the Zonda is clearly an outstandig car, it's good to know that there are still people like Koenigsegg and Pagani out there!

    Check http://www.track-challenge.com/ for details of the 2002 Supertest of the Zonda S!

    Nordschleife 7.44min
    Hockenheim 1.11,8min

    Cheers,
    Chris

    Apr 16, 2006 8:18:06 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    I am curious who was driving it around the Ring. Von Saurma? If so, he did not let me or Porsche down. He brought it in slower than the CGT time. Hilarious!

    Jim, regarding what Ferrari does to customers it must feel good because it is impossible to buy any of their cars. Dealers have wait list to get on wait list.

    Apr 16, 2006 9:22:26 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Horst von Saurma himself, of course!

    Why is it hilarious?

    o They share the same tires, because Pagani sells the Zonda F on the Michelin Porsche CGT spec N1/N0 tires (the CCR too, AFAIR).
    The tires have a great influence, so at least this point is equaled!

    - CGT 1473kg vs. PZF 1371kg
    + CGT 612PS vs. PZF 602PS
    = 2,4kg/PS vs. 2,3kg/PS, no big difference

    + The CGT has a shorter gearing
    CGT 81/139/181/237/282/330 km/h
    PZF 88/142/199/252/303/345 km/h

    o They share about the same drag coefficient:
    CGT 0,72 (lower=better) vs. PZF 0,74

    + ...although the CGT creates much more downforce:
    CGT F+49kg R+40kg
    PZF F+ 1kg R+25kg

    + The Zonda F reached 281km/h on the Döttinger Höhe, as the CGT managed 294km/h on the same straight in the wet 7.40min lap.
    (Don't have the diagramm of the 7.33min at hand at the moment, check http://supercarfreak.net/gallery/album105 for the 7.40min lap.)

    I could go on with this.

    So, I ask you back: why not?

    P.S.: Yeah, it is impossible to buy a Ferrari - that's exactly what I am thinking about the brand!

    Apr 16, 2006 9:25:15 PM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Quote:
    nberry said:
    I am curious who was driving it around the Ring. Von Saurma? If so, he did not let me or Porsche down. He brought it in slower than the CGT time. Hilarious!




    Well, how do you expect him to get a better time than the CGT, when he is driving the slower car? We all know Italian cars are for show only .

    Quote:
    Jim, regarding what Ferrari does to customers it must feel good because it is impossible to buy any of their cars. Dealers have wait list to get on wait list.



    Ah, the masochistic sheep phenomenon... Occurs everywhere. A bunch of low self-esteem, hungry for recognition people, who will pay ANYTHING, to have something nobody else has. I'm surprised the enthusiasts in the US are even able to get their cars at all.

    Apr 17, 2006 1:49:56 AM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Zonda F is in a class of its own. The plush, exotic interior, the outlandish body and the fighter-pilot like "cockpit."

    The only qualm I have is that the engine is a torque monster, not a high-strung wailer (CGT style). But that's just a matter of taste

    Apr 17, 2006 3:50:18 AM

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    Re: Pagani Zonda F Sportauto Supertest!

    Quote:
    Eliot said:+ The CGT has a shorter gearing
    CGT 81/139/181/237/282/330 km/h
    PZF 88/142/199/252/303/345 km/h


    This does not begin to tell the story, since the CGT has a much higher redline and still has lower speeds in gear, so the gearing is much lower for the CGT (much bigger difference than these specs show)...
     
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