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SoCal Alan said:
At least here in the US, the tiptronic has typically been the choice for women and male hairdressers, and the 6 speed manual has been the choice for men. No way am I spending $150K on a Porsche and getting an automatic. I don't care if the tip is 0.8 seconds faster than the manual, I'm getting the manual.

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trip said:
Im glad to see there is still strong support for the 6 spd after all the stupid tip propaganda. I feel sorry for those duped into buying the tip. Suckers...

I hope you think the same when Paris Hilton stands at the red light next to you in her white 997 Turbo Tiptronic.

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fritz said:
If you ever find yourself in that position, let her go.

You don't know where she's been.

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Grant said:
I agree too. 6spd is such a better driving experience that I wouldn't care if my car was a few tenths slower. Where exactly are all these 911 Turbo drag races going to be taking place that I keep hearing about? Sounds a bit silly to me...

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RC said:

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SoCal Alan said:
At least here in the US, the tiptronic has typically been the choice for women and male hairdressers, and the 6 speed manual has been the choice for men. No way am I spending $150K on a Porsche and getting an automatic. I don't care if the tip is 0.8 seconds faster than the manual, I'm getting the manual.

NOW we're getting to the bottom of the truth.
I mentioned such a guess in an earlier post, when I tried to explain the difference between manual and Tiptronic performance in a more serious way. But apparently the decision regarding manual or Tiptronic is more influenced by male body parts than common sense.

This is why I used the Paris Hilton example, I thought some people may finally understand the benefit of Tiptronic in the 997 Turbo. I tried it the classic way, using technical arguments, explaining, trying to question the difference between the 997 Tiptronic and a real sequential shifting system...no luck.

My personal philosophy: what makes me fast, makes me happy. I don't care if I have to use a stick, a few buttons or even my throttle foot as long as I can get to the limit of the car's performance. The transmission is just some sort of "translation device" between my brain and the car's engine, so I couldn't care less about the way I'm actually handling it,no matter if foot, hands or an electronic black box in the 997 Turbo.
You can never experience the REAL capability of a car at the limit if you consider having fun just moving a stupid stick up and down and pressing a clutch pedal. Real fun is to experience the car at the limit and as a non-professional driver, I welcome ANY "help" from the car to help me to achieve that. You're not more or less of a man if you achieve record times with a manual or Tiptronic.
Or maybe this helps: it doesn't matter how you win, it matters that you win. I'm pretty sure that if somebody with Tip passes the finish line first, people will say: hey, this guy is a pussy, he drives Tiptronic. Forget it...the winner takes it all.

And seriously: I'm still waiting to hear why somebody using Tip on the 997 Turbo wouldn't be a man but somebody using a sequential shifting system on the same car would?!

Guys, I'm afraid many of you still didn't understand: the Tiptronic on the new 997 Turbo isn't just a simple automatic tranny, it is part of a WHOLE NETWORKED SYSTEM, delivering for the first time an outstanding performance.
Maybe Porsche made the mistake to name it Tiptronic, instead they should have named it S-Tronic (like Audi), give it shifting paddles instead of the buttons and voila...men can be men again, without the need of Viag...oops...a manual stick.

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fritz said:

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RC said:

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trip said:
Im glad to see there is still strong support for the 6 spd after all the stupid tip propaganda. I feel sorry for those duped into buying the tip. Suckers...

I hope you think the same when Paris Hilton stands at the red light next to you in her white 997 Turbo Tiptronic.

Trip,

If you ever find yourself in that position, let her go.

You don't know where she's been.

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fritz said:

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Grant said:
I agree too. 6spd is such a better driving experience that I wouldn't care if my car was a few tenths slower. Where exactly are all these 911 Turbo drag races going to be taking place that I keep hearing about? Sounds a bit silly to me...

Well Grant, you now know what all those grannies get up to in those gated senior citizen communities in places like Arizona.

They can't play golf and bingo ALL the time!

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RC said:
You can drive over 200 kph in Timbuktu?

1. we don't know about the "above 200 kph" performance, all rumors indicate a tiny advantage of 1-2 seconds up to 300 kph (this tiny advantage could vanish if you don't shift fast and efficient enough).
2. especially on tight tracks, incl. mountain roads, the new Tiptronic delivers in combination with the new electronic AWD system an incredible performance. Just think about it: being able to keep both hands on the steering wheel makes in my opinion a better advantage than the LSD, not to forget about the fact that the AWD reacts much more precise and efficient in combination with the "info" it gets from the Tiptronic and since it can deliver up to 100% of power to one axle...
3. would you buy a car with a sequential shifting system? Remember: this thing you don't have a stick and a clutch pedal anymore?

I understand many of the concerns raised regarding the Tiptronic. But like I tried to explain in earlier posts: this is the first time that an automatic tranny on a Porsche delivers a better straight line performance than manual. Now everybody should put the holy question: how is that possible? Most people seem to believe that Porsche did that on purpose. Nope, they didn't. The engineers just seem to have found out that a completely networked system (engine/turbo boost, AWD, gearbox, PSM, PTM, etc.) works more efficiently than an "ordinary" system or a system where not all components are networked in such an efficient way. We also seem to forget that we're also dealing with two completely new techologies on the 997 Turbo: VTG and PTM (incl. the new electr. AWD).

For REAL manual fun and track racing, the 997 GT3 and upcoming GT3 RS are surely the better (and apprently, especially in the case of the GT3, the cheaper) choices.
Wanna a be a man? Get a GT3. Wanna be fast? Get a 997 Turbo with Tip. It can't get simplier.

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SoCal Alan said:

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fritz said:

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Grant said:
I agree too. 6spd is such a better driving experience that I wouldn't care if my car was a few tenths slower. Where exactly are all these 911 Turbo drag races going to be taking place that I keep hearing about? Sounds a bit silly to me...

Well Grant, you now know what all those grannies get up to in those gated senior citizen communities in places like Arizona.

They can't play golf and bingo ALL the time!

I will take on granny at the stoplight in her 997TT Tip anyday against my 997TT manual. I know when the light hits green that I'll be able to floor it before her by at least a few seconds. So there, there goes that 0.8 second advantage of the Tip.

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fritz said:
Al, I think you may be underestimating the reaction-time honing effect that playing bingo can have on the blue-rinse brigade.

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GT said:
Porsche also included launch control and pre-boost for the first time.

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W211 said:

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GT said:
Porsche also included launch control and pre-boost for the first time.

Launch control for the tiptronic in the 997TT?

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RC said:

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SoCal Alan said:
At least here in the US, the tiptronic has typically been the choice for women and male hairdressers, and the 6 speed manual has been the choice for men. No way am I spending $150K on a Porsche and getting an automatic. I don't care if the tip is 0.8 seconds faster than the manual, I'm getting the manual.

NOW we're getting to the bottom of the truth.
I mentioned such a guess in an earlier post, when I tried to explain the difference between manual and Tiptronic performance in a more serious way. But apparently the decision regarding manual or Tiptronic is more influenced by male body parts than common sense.

This is why I used the Paris Hilton example, I thought some people may finally understand the benefit of Tiptronic in the 997 Turbo. I tried it the classic way, using technical arguments, explaining, trying to question the difference between the 997 Tiptronic and a real sequential shifting system...no luck.

My personal philosophy: what makes me fast, makes me happy. I don't care if I have to use a stick, a few buttons or even my throttle foot as long as I can get to the limit of the car's performance. The transmission is just some sort of "translation device" between my brain and the car's engine, so I couldn't care less about the way I'm actually handling it,no matter if foot, hands or an electronic black box in the 997 Turbo.
You can never experience the REAL capability of a car at the limit if you consider having fun just moving a stupid stick up and down and pressing a clutch pedal. Real fun is to experience the car at the limit and as a non-professional driver, I welcome ANY "help" from the car to help me to achieve that. You're not more or less of a man if you achieve record times with a manual or Tiptronic.
Or maybe this helps: it doesn't matter how you win, it matters that you win. I'm pretty sure that if somebody with Tip passes the finish line first, people will say: hey, this guy is a pussy, he drives Tiptronic. Forget it...the winner takes it all.

And seriously: I'm still waiting to hear why somebody using Tip on the 997 Turbo wouldn't be a man but somebody using a sequential shifting system on the same car would?!

Guys, I'm afraid many of you still didn't understand: the Tiptronic on the new 997 Turbo isn't just a simple automatic tranny, it is part of a WHOLE NETWORKED SYSTEM, delivering for the first time an outstanding performance.
Maybe Porsche made the mistake to name it Tiptronic, instead they should have named it S-Tronic (like Audi), give it shifting paddles instead of the buttons and voila...men can be men again, without the need of Viag...oops...a manual stick.

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fritz said:

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GT said:
Porsche also included launch control and pre-boost for the first time.

Launch control for the tiptronic in the 997TT?

I don't think so.

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Hurst said:
The one thing that I really think is amusing is the whole Tip argument about if the person gets a Tip, they will get smoked by some chick in another TT.


When was the last time you drag raced the same car! If I saw a fellow driver, I would salute him, not invite him into a clenching race to the death!


"En garde fellow compatriot! It is time i demonstrate that my similar model is superior!" Hilarious

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RC said:

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SoCal Alan said:
At least here in the US, the tiptronic has typically been the choice for women and male hairdressers, and the 6 speed manual has been the choice for men. No way am I spending $150K on a Porsche and getting an automatic. I don't care if the tip is 0.8 seconds faster than the manual, I'm getting the manual.

NOW we're getting to the bottom of the truth.
I mentioned such a guess in an earlier post, when I tried to explain the difference between manual and Tiptronic performance in a more serious way. But apparently the decision regarding manual or Tiptronic is more influenced by male body parts than common sense.

This is why I used the Paris Hilton example, I thought some people may finally understand the benefit of Tiptronic in the 997 Turbo. I tried it the classic way, using technical arguments, explaining, trying to question the difference between the 997 Tiptronic and a real sequential shifting system...no luck.

My personal philosophy: what makes me fast, makes me happy. I don't care if I have to use a stick, a few buttons or even my throttle foot as long as I can get to the limit of the car's performance. The transmission is just some sort of "translation device" between my brain and the car's engine, so I couldn't care less about the way I'm actually handling it,no matter if foot, hands or an electronic black box in the 997 Turbo.
You can never experience the REAL capability of a car at the limit if you consider having fun just moving a stupid stick up and down and pressing a clutch pedal. Real fun is to experience the car at the limit and as a non-professional driver, I welcome ANY "help" from the car to help me to achieve that. You're not more or less of a man if you achieve record times with a manual or Tiptronic.
Or maybe this helps: it doesn't matter how you win, it matters that you win. I'm pretty sure that if somebody with Tip passes the finish line first, people will say: hey, this guy is a pussy, he drives Tiptronic. Forget it...the winner takes it all.

And seriously: I'm still waiting to hear why somebody using Tip on the 997 Turbo wouldn't be a man but somebody using a sequential shifting system on the same car would?!

Guys, I'm afraid many of you still didn't understand: the Tiptronic on the new 997 Turbo isn't just a simple automatic tranny, it is part of a WHOLE NETWORKED SYSTEM, delivering for the first time an outstanding performance.
Maybe Porsche made the mistake to name it Tiptronic, instead they should have named it S-Tronic (like Audi), give it shifting paddles instead of the buttons and voila...men can be men again, without the need of Viag...oops...a manual stick.

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RC said:
You can drive over 200 kph in Timbuktu?

1. we don't know about the "above 200 kph" performance, all rumors indicate a tiny advantage of 1-2 seconds up to 300 kph (this tiny advantage could vanish if you don't shift fast and efficient enough).
2. especially on tight tracks, incl. mountain roads, the new Tiptronic delivers in combination with the new electronic AWD system an incredible performance. Just think about it: being able to keep both hands on the steering wheel makes in my opinion a better advantage than the LSD, not to forget about the fact that the AWD reacts much more precise and efficient in combination with the "info" it gets from the Tiptronic and since it can deliver up to 100% of power to one axle...
3. would you buy a car with a sequential shifting system? Remember: this thing you don't have a stick and a clutch pedal anymore?

I understand many of the concerns raised regarding the Tiptronic. But like I tried to explain in earlier posts: this is the first time that an automatic tranny on a Porsche delivers a better straight line performance than manual. Now everybody should put the holy question: how is that possible? Most people seem to believe that Porsche did that on purpose. Nope, they didn't. The engineers just seem to have found out that a completely networked system (engine/turbo boost, AWD, gearbox, PSM, PTM, etc.) works more efficiently than an "ordinary" system or a system where not all components are networked in such an efficient way. We also seem to forget that we're also dealing with two completely new techologies on the 997 Turbo: VTG and PTM (incl. the new electr. AWD).

For REAL manual fun and track racing, the 997 GT3 and upcoming GT3 RS are surely the better (and apprently, especially in the case of the GT3, the cheaper) choices.
Wanna a be a man? Get a GT3. Wanna be fast? Get a 997 Turbo with Tip. It can't get simplier.

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GT said:
- Porsche did not have enough time to develop PDK for the launch of 997tt so they opted for Tip inbetween.
- Tip is a mercedes tranny with twicked software to maximise shift times.. Porsche also included launch control and pre-boost for the first time. Btw apparently manual has pre-boost as well so no advantage there for the tip.
- Porsche wanted to create on purpose max hype re the performance of the tip because otherwise NOBODY would buy it since the development of PDK is widely known. Now imagine the potential disaster for the factory if this happened after they've ordered so many trannys from merc.. It would be a huge failure especially for the US market.
- Tip is heavier and only 5 speed. Hence the only advantage imo is going to be at acceleration from standstill because of the launch control. Btw RC "1 or 2" of seconds of advantage of the manual to 300km/h is like 80+ metres of difference per second!!

Above arguments are my personal opinions given my research with people that I consider reliable and very knowledgable regarding P cars. Don't mean to offend anybody but I would really wait for the tests to see whether Porsche is playing once again one of these marketing games to ensure the marketing success of their products.
Btw, I dont know if anybody realised the other "marketing ploy" of Porsche about the new AWD supposesdly giving up to 100% of power to the front wheels.. This is the bigest BS I ve heard. If you check the technical specs, the front differencial can handle up to 41kg of torque (the engine has around 61kg of max torque pre-overbost). However the front wheels lose traction when fed with more than 31kgs of torque so.. it's more like 40%-50% max in the front (almost like the 996tt). So I guess those P press releases have to be taken with a grain of salt..
I would wait for a couple of independent tests before commiting to the Tip.

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trip said:
The skill it takes to execute proper gear changes or nailing the apex of a corner are what makes driving so enjoyable and differentiate it from a realistic video game. The fact that anyone can be fast in the tip is part of what takes the fun out of it. I think that is the essence of any true enthusiast. As to whoever said "the fastest car wins" I ask wins what? The stoplight grand prix. If so go ahead you can have that trophy Ill stick with the ultimate thrill, ACTUALLY DRIVING THE CAR!!!!!!!