KresoF1:If for example GTS had similar gear ratios as GT3 it would most likely kill it on the most track on Corsas as well.
But it can never have the same gear ratios (without giving up ~50kph of top speed), because redline is 7,500 rpm instead of 9,000 rpm...
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
SciFrog:Sapphire with tan interior, yummy... Reminds me of my 2000 Boxster Zenith bue and tan...
I think all interiors for the GT3 are black (unless your name is Porsche or Piech)
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
I wish Sapphire really looks like this (reminds me of Cobalt), but it doesn't in my experience:
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Grant:KresoF1:If for example GTS had similar gear ratios as GT3 it would most likely kill it on the most track on Corsas as well.But it can never have the same gear ratios (without giving up ~50kph of top speed), because redline is 7,500 rpm instead of 9,000 rpm...
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Indeed it is. But, I was thinking about similar ratios where top speed of GTS would be in 7th gear rather then in 6th. GTS gearbox is a 6 speed with an overdrive, both manual and PDK.
KresoF1:It is IMHO very debatable after all.
CG from SA claims that 991.2 GTS is easier to drive fast on the track(Nordschleife) then 991.2 GT3. Track time difference between two cars(GTS on new Corsas, GT3 on Cups) in CG hands is on HHR pretty much non existent. So, is he so much better driver then average GT3 owner?
Or just maybe you did not see any 991.2 GTS on new Corsas on race track?
Had a chance to test drive new GT3(PDK-S) few days ago. Awesome car.
But, more demanding then 991.2 GTS and not any faster on the autobahn. Friend who owns 991.1 GT3 RS, 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GTS Coupe was very surprised with our test drive final outcome. His 991.1 GT3 RS ended on mobile.de as a consequence.
Debatable , yes . Lots of parameter come into the equation . I did not look at what tire the GTS had ... and unsure about the '' quality '' of the drivers .
The GTS might be easier to drive , but the GT3 is not a difficult car . And once you grasp the aero work , It gives you an extra tool . Also, how the chassis feels . Even if not faster , the GT3 has a chassis that feels much more connected to the track .
964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS
Gnil:KresoF1:It is IMHO very debatable after all.
CG from SA claims that 991.2 GTS is easier to drive fast on the track(Nordschleife) then 991.2 GT3. Track time difference between two cars(GTS on new Corsas, GT3 on Cups) in CG hands is on HHR pretty much non existent. So, is he so much better driver then average GT3 owner?
Or just maybe you did not see any 991.2 GTS on new Corsas on race track?
Had a chance to test drive new GT3(PDK-S) few days ago. Awesome car.
But, more demanding then 991.2 GTS and not any faster on the autobahn. Friend who owns 991.1 GT3 RS, 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GTS Coupe was very surprised with our test drive final outcome. His 991.1 GT3 RS ended on mobile.de as a consequence.
Debatable , yes . Lots of parameter come into the equation . I did not look at what tire the GTS had ... and unsure about the '' quality '' of the drivers .
The GTS might be easier to drive , but the GT3 is not a difficult car . And once you grasp the aero work , It gives you an extra tool . Also, how the chassis feels . Even if not faster , the GT3 has a chassis that feels much more connected to the track .
very debatable outcome, maybe correct for sheer speed but not for 'feeling'. i am currently driving here in central italy on very bad and dissected roads. the other day i took a friend's 991.2 C4S out and felt as if it was bouncing around a lot while my GT3RS might feel a bit harsh but definitely more planted. it makes me almost as fast as the typical one or two seater italian pickup truck:::)))
Gnil:KresoF1:bluelines:KresoF1:991.2 GT3 manual AMS test(PDK-S test results from sister SA mag)
0-100km/h 4.0s(3.6s)
0-160km/h 8.2s(7.4s)
0-200km/h 12.4s(11.3s)
GTS PDK:
0-100 3.7
0-160 7.9
0-200 12.4Have they ever been this close?
No. Aside from track and if our view is objective 991.2 GT3 has no advantage over 991.2 GTS.
But, 90% of us are pretty subjective in our opinions...
On track the difference between GTS and GT3 in the hands of ' normal ' people is huge . I witnessed that at Paul Richard in June and now two days ago in Mugello . GTS is good on paper , in public roads , in the hands of professionals ...... but it stays a Carrera on track in the hands of amateurs
I rather think that most amateurs who got themselves a Carrera GTS have the standard PZero tires on their cars and not the optional Corsa from the reviews. The PZero is a fantastic road tire but a couple of rounds on a track with hot temperatures and the tires are "done" for the day. Especially since I also assume that many drivers do not adapt tire pressures after a warming up round.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
Jul 10, 2017 11:48:24 AM
RC:I rather think that most amateurs who got themselves a Carrera GTS have the standard PZero tires on their cars and not the optional Corsa from the reviews. The PZero is a fantastic road tire but a couple of rounds on a track with hot temperatures and the tires are "done" for the day. Especially since I also assume that many drivers do not adapt tire pressures after a warming up round.
Most certainly they had the P Zero . And yes, that could explain quite a lot . At Paul Richard and at Mugello temperature was around 35 degrees .
Still, at the end a Carrera does not feel like a Gt3 even if as fast . Like a Turbo , faster then an RS in amateur hands, but not the same feeling to drive at all .
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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS
bluelines:On the flip side the GT3 looks like a shark that got a sea cucumber showed up its rectum
Maybe that's why it's screaming so loudly?
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Jul 11, 2017 2:54:07 AM
Awesome video. Not the cars. I miss Austria. I learned to waterski at that lake. Thanks for sharing.
the GT3 sounds worlds apart. Can't blame them for getting on it since everyone around them was taking a video wishing they would do exactly that. Not really bad racing imho
Rossi:Such behaviour is exactly the reason why sports cars and their owners are faced with increasing hostility.
Exactly. Guy knows how to accelerate one handed with his arm out the window but he doesn't know how to use a blinker.... What is wrong with people?
As a hint for our international users: He did what he did in what we call "calmed" traffic zones where such a behavior clearly provokes hostilities.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
Gauss:Sound comparison between GTS and GT3.
lots of other supercars in the video too.
btw, what R8 is parked next to the GT3 at the end of the video ?
R8 V10 Plus with aftermarket wheels.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
RC:Gauss:Sound comparison between GTS and GT3.
lots of other supercars in the video too.
btw, what R8 is parked next to the GT3 at the end of the video ?
R8 V10 Plus with aftermarket wheels.
but it looks like it has an aftermarket body? The hood is different than stock and it's also much wider.