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    Apr 20, 2016 9:02:00 AM

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    Futch:

    Porsche are the best to exploit loopholes. The choice of engine has not been confirmed yet but the new RSR will be mid engined. Think cayman chassis with a 911 body. Many waivers will indeed be used. And no, Mid engined is not unstable at all, on the contrary. The 911 platform has reached its limit and porsche knows it. It needs a radical change to compete in the GTE class. The car is fast thanks to a good BOP and/or wet weather. 

    It's not the first mid engined 911 anyway, porsche won in 98 with the 911GT1. 

    The rest of the 911 race cars will remain rear engined, the cup and the GT3R. 

    Smiley This is why Porsche will do what they did in the past...keep the 911 as the typical customer motorsports car and at the same time use a different concept (mid engined) to compete in the more exclusive racing classes. Maybe even with a 911 body, though not very likely.


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    Apr 20, 2016 9:23:46 AM

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    tso:

    Here is a better angle to show the Aston WEC diffuser and the space needed.

    And that's why you will not see "real" diffusers on road cars.   Smiley


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    Apr 20, 2016 10:21:39 AM

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    The only issue is the whole philosophy behind the GTE rules is that the cars are supposed to be legitimately production based.

    Apr 20, 2016 10:34:36 AM

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    The amusing thing is (at least to me), that the Porsche GT1  ( a 911 if we are very liberal with what we term a "911") arose from Porsche's need to be competitive at the time with the mid-engine McLaren F1. The GT1 rules rapidly evolved and soon we had the Nissan R390,  Mercedes CLK -LM and the Toyota GT1   which were really prototypes (but under the GT1 classification) . I'm quite interested to see how this all play's out over the next few years.

    Apr 20, 2016 11:19:58 AM

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    About motorsport budgets. Somebody (guess who) spends 400 mil euro annually, if Derek Bell is not lying.

    http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/news/2015/06/derek-bell-kritisiert-wec-totaler-wahnsinn-15062902.html

    Frage: "Liegt es auch daran, dass der Wettbewerb der LMP1-Werke so intensiv und teuer geworden ist?"
    Bell: "Ganz genau. Wenn ein Hersteller hier 400 Millionen Euro in ein Le-Mans-Projekt steckt, dann ist das doch totaler Wahnsinn. Von dem Geld könnte das gesamte Starterfeld bestens leben."


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    Apr 20, 2016 12:11:07 PM

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    I really hate the look of these new diffusers, spoil the look of these cars to a very ugly state.

    Sort of like a Victoria Secret Supermodel in bikini with panties pushed out by sanitary napkin........

    Apr 20, 2016 12:24:51 PM

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    Agreed! Not the best of looks.

    Apr 20, 2016 12:39:25 PM

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    Spyderidol:

     

    Mega sleek Smiley..


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    Apr 20, 2016 2:20:55 PM

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    Guys, let me share some inside infos. I don´t know if they are new or not - only know they a pretty reliable:

    hp: > 650 
    top speed: >340 km/h
    0-100: <3.0s
    price: just little below 300.000 € incl. VAT in Germany

    and now: limited to 800 cars 
    and now second: designed  for a race track - not for city cruising - nearly no comprises - track oriented car

    introduction: late 2017


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    Apr 20, 2016 2:33:55 PM

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    But a street car I presume....?

    Apr 20, 2016 2:35:32 PM

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    I'm not sure I need >650hp but this sound really good to me:

    "and now second: designed  for a race track - not for city cruising - nearly no comprises - track oriented car"

    Apr 20, 2016 2:48:03 PM

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    Spyderidol:

    The amusing thing is (at least to me), that the Porsche GT1  ( a 911 if we are very liberal with what we term a "911") arose from Porsche's need to be competitive at the time with the mid-engine McLaren F1. The GT1 rules rapidly evolved and soon we had the Nissan R390,  Mercedes CLK -LM and the Toyota GT1   which were really prototypes (but under the GT1 classification) . I'm quite interested to see how this all play's out over the next few years.

     

    The GT1 rule era cars I think are the most beautiful.

    Real performance with sexy curves. 


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    Apr 20, 2016 3:36:23 PM

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    ALDO:

    Guys, let me share some inside infos. I don´t know if they are new or not - only know they a pretty reliable:

    hp: > 650 
    top speed: >340 km/h
    0-100: <3.0s
    price: just little below 300.000 € incl. VAT in Germany

    and now: limited to 800 cars 
    and now second: designed  for a race track - not for city cruising - nearly no comprises - track oriented car

    introduction: late 2017

     

    With all of the non-GT cars being turbocharged and the GT3 remaining NA, it makes very good marketing sense to have a halo turbocharged 911 that kicks serious ass like this in every possible discipline.  Nordschliefe time is going to be close to 7 minutes (not sure which side of it, actually)...


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    Apr 20, 2016 3:40:19 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Grant:
    ALDO:

    Guys, let me share some inside infos. I don´t know if they are new or not - only know they a pretty reliable:

    hp: > 650 
    top speed: >340 km/h
    0-100: <3.0s
    price: just little below 300.000 € incl. VAT in Germany

    and now: limited to 800 cars 
    and now second: designed  for a race track - not for city cruising - nearly no comprises - track oriented car

    introduction: late 2017

    With all of the non-GT cars being turbocharged and the GT3 remaining NA, it makes very good marketing sense to have a halo turbocharged 911 that kicks serious ass like this in every possible discipline.  Nordschliefe time is going to be close to 7 minutes (not sure which side of it, actually)...

    +1 Smiley


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    Apr 20, 2016 4:15:16 PM

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    KresoF1 wrote in the 991 GT3RS thread that it would have 700+hp. Sounds like a competent Porsche.

    Apr 20, 2016 4:20:04 PM

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    GT2Driver:

    KresoF1 wrote in the 991 GT3RS thread that it would have 700+hp. Sounds like a competent Porsche.

    I wonder if their goal is to make it faster than 7 min at the Ring, but not as fast as the 918 (and adjust power as necessary)?  That would be a VERY narrow window - basically, 6:59.x would do it...


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    Apr 20, 2016 4:43:02 PM

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    Grant:
     

    I wonder if their goal is to make it faster than 7 min at the Ring, but not as fast as the 918 (and adjust power as necessary)?  That would be a VERY narrow window - basically, 6:59.x would do it...


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    By that time, 918 will be out of their product range completely and they can afford to make a faster lower class super car. 

    Apr 20, 2016 4:45:43 PM

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    Boyko23:
    Grant:
     

    I wonder if their goal is to make it faster than 7 min at the Ring, but not as fast as the 918 (and adjust power as necessary)?  That would be a VERY narrow window - basically, 6:59.x would do it...

    By that time, 918 will be out of their product range completely and they can afford to make a faster lower class super car. 

    Yes, I think the 918 is already out of production, but usually they don't want to leapfrog a premium car like this for a small fraction of the price.

    But in this case, the VIP program is such a boon that they may feel that the 918 owners are more than taken care of.  However, I still think 6:59 makes the most sense (if they want sub-7).


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    Apr 21, 2016 1:12:32 AM

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    Grant:
    Boyko23:
    Grant:
     

    I wonder if their goal is to make it faster than 7 min at the Ring, but not as fast as the 918 (and adjust power as necessary)?  That would be a VERY narrow window - basically, 6:59.x would do it...

    By that time, 918 will be out of their product range completely and they can afford to make a faster lower class super car. 

    Yes, I think the 918 is already out of production, but usually they don't want to leapfrog a premium car like this for a small fraction of the price.

    But in this case, the VIP program is such a boon that they may feel that the 918 owners are more than taken care of.  However, I still think 6:59 makes the most sense (if they want sub-7).

    The GT2RS of yesteryear was actually faster than the Carrera GT for half the price soon after the CGT ended production.


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    Apr 21, 2016 1:44:55 AM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    W8MM:
    Grant:
    Boyko23:
    Grant:
     

    I wonder if their goal is to make it faster than 7 min at the Ring, but not as fast as the 918 (and adjust power as necessary)?  That would be a VERY narrow window - basically, 6:59.x would do it...

    By that time, 918 will be out of their product range completely and they can afford to make a faster lower class super car. 

    Yes, I think the 918 is already out of production, but usually they don't want to leapfrog a premium car like this for a small fraction of the price.

    But in this case, the VIP program is such a boon that they may feel that the 918 owners are more than taken care of.  However, I still think 6:59 makes the most sense (if they want sub-7).

    The GT2RS of yesteryear was actually faster than the Carrera GT for half the price soon after the CGT ended production.

    I hear you - good point, although that difference was largely due to CGT having road tires while GT2RS had track tires.  Here, price difference is 3x and both on track tires.

    Also, wasn't CGT 2004-2005 and GT2 RS 2011 or 2012?  Much further apart than 2016? 918 and 2018? GT2 RS...


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    Apr 21, 2016 8:02:51 AM

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    Kobalt:

    But a street car I presume....?

    Yes. The 800 cars limitation is actually not a real limitation but an estimate based on possible sales figures for such a high priced car. It could become a limited series though, this would sound better. Smiley

    I am really considering this car but I am also eyeing the new 991.2 GT3. 


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    Apr 21, 2016 8:54:18 AM

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    RC:
    Kobalt:

    But a street car I presume....?

    Yes. The 800 cars limitation is actually not a real limitation but an estimate based on possible sales figures for such a high priced car. It could become a limited series though, this would sound better. Smiley

    I am really considering this car but I am also eyeing the new 991.2 GT3. 

    will it be 'more hardcore' than the GT3RS?

    p

    Apr 21, 2016 8:56:30 AM

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    Is that a trick question? SmileySmiley


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    Apr 21, 2016 8:59:44 AM

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    RC:

    I am really considering this car but I am also eyeing the new 991.2 GT3. 

    Hahaha, your not ""considering"" it Christian. Your just going to buy a super car with super powers Smiley Smiley..


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    Apr 21, 2016 9:01:40 AM

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    bluelines:

    Is that a trick question? SmileySmiley

    Could well be, blue Smiley.

    These next GT's are going to be arse kick machines. Beat my PB in a straight line in my GT3, hit 120mph Smiley Smiley..


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    Apr 21, 2016 9:02:25 AM

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    RC:

    I am really considering this car but I am also eyeing the new 991.2 GT3. 

    Hahaha, your not ""considering"" it Christian. Your just going to buy a super car with super powers Smiley Smiley..

    Smiley


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    Apr 21, 2016 9:03:18 AM

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    pmarkow:
    RC:
    Kobalt:

    But a street car I presume....?

    Yes. The 800 cars limitation is actually not a real limitation but an estimate based on possible sales figures for such a high priced car. It could become a limited series though, this would sound better. Smiley

    I am really considering this car but I am also eyeing the new 991.2 GT3. 

    will it be 'more hardcore' than the GT3RS?

    p

    Do you mean in comparison to the 991.1 GT3 RS or the 991.2 GT3 RS? Smiley


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    Apr 21, 2016 11:49:13 AM

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    RC:
    pmarkow:
    RC:
    Kobalt:

    But a street car I presume....?

    Yes. The 800 cars limitation is actually not a real limitation but an estimate based on possible sales figures for such a high priced car. It could become a limited series though, this would sound better. Smiley

    I am really considering this car but I am also eyeing the new 991.2 GT3. 

    will it be 'more hardcore' than the GT3RS?

    p

    Do you mean in comparison to the 991.1 GT3 RS or the 991.2 GT3 RS? Smiley

    gt3rs.1 is the only comparison i have:::)))) do you know more?

    Apr 21, 2016 6:51:27 PM

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    bluelines:

    Is that a trick question? SmileySmiley

    Why? 

     
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