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23 févr. 2016 06:28:02
- FlatSix911
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23 févr. 2016 07:38:20
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Re: 911 R
bluelines:Sounds like I am not the only one with doubts.
I think we all hope that it is going to be a true hommage to the original 911R - with corresponding expectations.
And we don't want to be disappointed, but deep inside I think we all have a slightly bad feeling about this project.
We'll see soon 
Re: 911 R
Kobalt:bluelines:Sounds like I am not the only one with doubts.
I think we all hope that it is going to be a true hommage to the original 911R - with corresponding expectations.
And we don't want to be disappointed, but deep inside I think we all have a slightly bad feeling about this project.We'll see soon
Very mixed feelings for me at the moment ....
I think it will be an in-between . Not a real '' special'' model, but not an exclusive bin's part .
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Re: 911 R
People like "limited" editions, no matter if cars, watches or whatsoever. Industry loves to make money, so they will offer what the customer demands. Result: everybody happy, except for some purists maybe (negligible minor group). 
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Re: 911 R
bluelines:The manual gearbox is the single feature which so far really sticks out. The R is not going to be special because there is no rear wing and has Exclusive Dept seat inlays.
I would have paid up to 180k for a GT3 without rear wing and with rear seats. Actually, before I got my 991 Turbo S, I asked if it is doable (GT3 without rear wing and with rear seats) but all my sources said impossible. Not even Exclusive department would pick up such a project because it was one of the "blacklisted" ones (meaning: already "prohibited" by the upper management).
So what is so special about a Cayman with Carrera S engine and a rear wing? 
Much less special than a 911 R I can tell you for sure. 
While the Cayman got most tech from a 911 Carrera road car, the 911 R gets most tech from a GT car. See?! 
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23 févr. 2016 09:24:42
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: 911 R
Mixed feelings as well, so far what I see is 991GT3 with rear wing delete and manual box... surely there has to be something more than that so that its special? Otherwise it's doesn't make much sense save for a very few and select group that want a manual GT3 not for track and willing to pay the overprice of a limited edition, those and flippers too.
Now, if they made this car with PDK and rear seats and full production (not limited) and no expensive extra weight reduction for only 50Kg savings or whatever over a normal GT3, ie a normal pricetag similar to a GT3, then that would be a different story. Call it a 991GTS"R" and it would become my favorite model in the whole lineup.
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23 févr. 2016 09:33:10
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Carlos from Spain
Re: 911 R
Carlos from Spain:Mixed feelings as well, so far what I see is 991GT3 with rear wing delete and manual box... surely there has to be something more than that so that its special? Otherwise it's doesn't make much sense save for a very few and select group that want a manual GT3 not for track and willing to pay the overprice of a limited edition, those and flippers too.
It's just a shame that the "R" suffix has been completely devalued in the process.
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Re: 911 R
fritz:Carlos from Spain:Mixed feelings as well, so far what I see is 991GT3 with rear wing delete and manual box... surely there has to be something more than that so that its special? Otherwise it's doesn't make much sense save for a very few and select group that want a manual GT3 not for track and willing to pay the overprice of a limited edition, those and flippers too.
It's just a shame that the "R" suffix has been completely devalued in the process.
Well, it had to happen. How could they devalue the R suffix more than with that Cayman R they once offered?! 
Porsche should offer a "regular" 911 R for 180k flat and without limitation, with PDK and with rear seats. That would be an amazing thing to do. The special ed with manual, a bit less weight and those special stickers and whatnot could be sold for 200k, limited to 500 cars. They could even call it 911 RS. Wouldn't really hurt them and everyone would be happy.
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Re: 911 R
RC:bluelines:The manual gearbox is the single feature which so far really sticks out. The R is not going to be special because there is no rear wing and has Exclusive Dept seat inlays.
I would have paid up to 180k for a GT3 without rear wing and with rear seats. Actually, before I got my 991 Turbo S, I asked if it is doable (GT3 without rear wing and with rear seats) but all my sources said impossible. Not even Exclusive department would pick up such a project because it was one of the "blacklisted" ones (meaning: already "prohibited" by the upper management).
So what is so special about a Cayman with Carrera S engine and a rear wing?
As I wrote earlier, there is nothing special about the GT4, except for it being the first GT car on the Cayman platform. The R does not appear more special though, a GT3 without a wing and with seat inlays. It looks exactly like a GT3 without a wing with RS front hood and roof from the parts bin. The manual sets it apart from the other 991 GT cars. The specific choice of engine and gearbox will IMHO determine if it is Rare or Ripoff.
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Re: 911 R
fritz:Carlos from Spain:Mixed feelings as well, so far what I see is 991GT3 with rear wing delete and manual box... surely there has to be something more than that so that its special? Otherwise it's doesn't make much sense save for a very few and select group that want a manual GT3 not for track and willing to pay the overprice of a limited edition, those and flippers too.
It's just a shame that the "R" suffix has been completely devalued in the process.
You mean after the "R" suffix was hyped by us on Rennteam?
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Re: 911 R
bluelines:fritz:Carlos from Spain:Mixed feelings as well, so far what I see is 991GT3 with rear wing delete and manual box... surely there has to be something more than that so that its special? Otherwise it's doesn't make much sense save for a very few and select group that want a manual GT3 not for track and willing to pay the overprice of a limited edition, those and flippers too.
It's just a shame that the "R" suffix has been completely devalued in the process.
You mean after the "R" suffix was hyped by us on Rennteam?
No, I mean after 911R did actually stand for something at one time.
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23 févr. 2016 12:21:12
- FlatSix911
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Re: 911 R
fritz:bluelines:fritz:Carlos from Spain:Mixed feelings as well, so far what I see is 991GT3 with rear wing delete and manual box... surely there has to be something more than that so that its special? Otherwise it's doesn't make much sense save for a very few and select group that want a manual GT3 not for track and willing to pay the overprice of a limited edition, those and flippers too.
It's just a shame that the "R" suffix has been completely devalued in the process.
You mean after the "R" suffix was hyped by us on Rennteam?
No, I mean after 911R did actually stand for something at one time.
Well in fact it still does...
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