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22 févr. 2016 12:54:19

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

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22 févr. 2016 13:06:18

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

motorsport for the R and the sport classic by Porsche exclusive

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22 févr. 2016 13:08:37

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

LP997:
bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

motorsport for the R and the sport classic by Porsche exclusive

If this is correct, then it will be special. I asked this question here in the thread before, but so far it was silence...

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22 févr. 2016 13:08:49

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Lieu: Rennteam HQ , Allemagne; Messages: 59607, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 26 mars 2002; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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22 févr. 2016 13:12:03

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
En fait, il est un projet combiné avec la participation de Porsche Motorsport mais oui, Porsche Exclusive avait certainement rien à voir avec cette fois-ci. L'ensemble de la technologie de la 911 R provient principalement de la GT3, donc ce ne Sport Classic rip-off, non pas par un long shot.

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RC (Allemagne) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

Porsche Exclusive do the seats inserts Smiley

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22 févr. 2016 13:34:27

Kobalt: Expert; Lieu: Europe , Suède; Messages: 1819, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 18 juin 2015; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

LP997:
Porsche Exclusive do the seats inserts

Most likely, and the inserts adds 50% to the price... at least Smiley

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22 févr. 2016 14:02:36

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Lieu: cambridge , Royaume-Uni; Messages: 2277, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 28 août 2014; En réponse de: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts?????

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22 févr. 2016 14:03:35

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Denver, CO , Etats-Unis; Messages: 12588, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 21 août 2002; En réponse de: pmarkow

Re: 911 R

pmarkow:
RC:
Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts?????

Manual gearbox for one...

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22 févr. 2016 14:07:58

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Lieu: cambridge , Royaume-Uni; Messages: 2277, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 28 août 2014; En réponse de: Grant

Re: 911 R

Grant:
pmarkow:
RC:
Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts?????

Manual gearbox for one...

Smiley 12

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22 févr. 2016 14:20:57

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: pmarkow

Re: 911 R

The manual gearbox is the single feature which so far really sticks out. The R is not going to be special because there is no rear wing and has Exclusive Dept seat inlays.

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22 févr. 2016 14:47:09

rickman: Junior; Lieu: Paris , France; Messages: 68, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 1 févr. 2016; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

letter to Porsche Santa-Claus

magnesium rims
ceramic brakes
magnesium roof,
wings, rear spoiler in carbon
lightweight doors
stripped interior
lexan glasses
headlight lightened
bucket seats
lithium battery
3.8 L 490 CV
Carrera 2 body Shell
sequential box (not only manual)
Very desirable classic look
1280 kg Max with AC 1260 without
250 k€ max

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22 févr. 2016 14:55:47

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: rickman

Re: 911 R

Rickman:
lettre à Porsche Santa-Claus

jantes de magnésium

freins en céramique

toit de magnésium,

ailes, aileron arrière en carbone

portes légères

intérieur dépouillé

verres Lexan

phare allégé

sièges baquets

batterie au lithium

3.8 L 490 CV

Carrera 2 corps Shell

boîte séquentielle (non seulement manuel)

look classique très souhaitable

1280 kg Max avec AC 1260 sans

250 k € max

où vous l'avez? très intéressant son semble plus qu'un carrera simples ... Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley dream come true???

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22 févr. 2016 15:01:05

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

Sounds awesome. Too bad it won't be like that angry indecision

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22 févr. 2016 15:04:14

rickman: Junior; Lieu: Paris , France; Messages: 68, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 1 févr. 2016; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

letter to Porsche Santa-Claus ...

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22 févr. 2016 15:26:37

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: USA , Etats-Unis; Messages: 9870, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 15 nov. 2005; En réponse de: rickman

Re: 911 R

Indeed the R looks like a special car. But they didn't go far enough for the rumored price. And now they will make 911 of them?

PDK should be an option. And rear seats, maybe removable or as an option. All for less than $160k. Personally to make it really special I would also have chopped the roof and make it $250k. And real weight savings, not what is rumored...

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22 févr. 2016 16:43:02

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Lieu: Spain. , Espagne; Messages: 21156, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 9 févr. 2003; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

Accounting department? Smiley Smiley

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22 févr. 2016 16:45:29

lukestern: Expert; Lieu: Somewhere , Royaume-Uni; Messages: 1377, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 15 mars 2005; En réponse de: Carlos from Spain

Re: 911 R

Carlos from Spain:
bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

Accounting department?

Or Marketing Department Smiley

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22 févr. 2016 17:13:52

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: lukestern

Re: 911 R

Lukas:
Carlos from Spain:
bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

Accounting department?

Or Marketing Department

Let's hope not. Then the R will undoubtedly stand for Rip-off or (engine-)Reuse Smiley

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22 févr. 2016 18:05:41

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

Link for th R presentation Geneva - 1 march 9H25 A.M

http://porsche.gomexlive.com/?lang=en

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22 févr. 2016 18:08:58

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Denver, CO , Etats-Unis; Messages: 12588, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 21 août 2002; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

Very excited! Think the press release will come first?

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22 févr. 2016 18:12:08

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: Grant

Re: 911 R

Grant:
Very excited! Think the press release will come first?

yes the press embargo is finished monday ;) i think we see some pictures in monday (journey)

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22 févr. 2016 18:30:19

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

Someone says it will have the Metzger from the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l. This would make the gearbox choice simple If true, then truly special!

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22 févr. 2016 18:32:58

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
Someone says it will have the Metzger from the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l. This would make the gearbox choice simple If true, then truly special!

Not posible the 4.0l metzger is not conform at the new euro 6 norm...Bullshit!!

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22 févr. 2016 18:38:53

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

I guess so, unfortunately surprise That engine and gearbox would have made the R truly special.

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22 févr. 2016 18:40:57

LP997: Senior; Lieu: Nord/sud , France; Messages: 694, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 30 déc. 2010; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
I guess so, unfortunately That engine and gearbox would have made the R truly special.

just the 991 RS motor and manual or sequential gearbox Smiley Smiley seems enough special for me Smiley

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22 févr. 2016 18:46:36

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: LP997

Re: 911 R

A PDK with manual shifter does not feel much special to be honest.

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22 févr. 2016 18:56:30

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Lieu: manchester , Royaume-Uni; Messages: 2280, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 22 juil. 2002; En réponse de: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

The 991 GT3 engine is a lot cheaper to produce than the 997 GT3 Mezger, I feel this is an important factor in why the 911R gets the 991 GT3 motor, it doesn't cost that much more than the regular 9A1 Dfi motor. Putting a Mezger GT3 in the 007 sport classic would have added what ? 20K + to the production cost and unnecessary particularly as Porsche likes profit margin so much Smiley

It would have been a much greater deal if the sport classic had got the Mezger making the car much more special, it is interesting to muse whether or not this would have affected the current high resale values at all - my guess is probably not much, collectors like rarity, little else.

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22 févr. 2016 19:14:27

otisdog: Junior; Lieu: Sierra Madre, California , Etats-Unis; Messages: 51, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 1 juil. 2008; En réponse de: TB993tt

Re: 911 R

Monday or March 1?

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22 févr. 2016 19:22:10

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Lieu: Argovia , Suisse; Messages: 11655, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 29 avr. 2005; En réponse de: otisdog

Re: 911 R

April 1? smiley

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22 févr. 2016 19:46:52

Nacelle1: Junior; Lieu: Cascadian Corridor , Canada; Messages: 103, Gallery; Inscrit depuis le: 21 juin 2015; En réponse de: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
April 1?

LOL.... might as well be

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