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Feb 19, 2016 7:55:58 PM
- CGX car nut
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Re: 718 Boxster
apias:KresoF1:
The rear still reminds me too much of this,
I think Porsche blew it on this design element.
Not quite because Porsche didn't go for the "race track" design used by FCA for Dodge models. That "race track" illuminated by LEDs is infuriating to be behind on country roads and rural Interstates because it is so bright and blinding.
Feb 19, 2016 7:57:48 PM
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Re: 718 Boxster
MikeM1982:
Grant, I also wonder too if an RS version of the GT4 would be pdk only based on APs stance that RS variants of the 911 line will only have pdk
Definitely a possibility. If they make a manual GT3, I imagine the GT3 RS will be PDK also.
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Feb 25, 2016 8:57:49 AM
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Re: 718 Boxster
Comments below the vid mentions claim for NoS lap: 7:42 - not too bad 
Advantage vs Spyder laptime probably from PDK + maybe better acceleration out of tight/slow corners ? Claimed laptime on par with GT4 ?
https://www.facebook.com/der.autotester.de/videos/1045111575526957/
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Feb 25, 2016 9:13:30 AM
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Re: 718 Boxster
Finally had the chance to listen to the 718 Boxster S engine/exhaust sound. Oh boy, if you think the 991.2 Carrera S with PSE sounds bad (I do not think that but anyway...), the 718 Boxster S will move you to a completely different disappointment level. I truly hope Porsche knows what they are doing here because people won't be happy with it. Not sure if there will be some sort of sport exhaust along the way but that typical Boxster flat six sound is...gone. Completely. 
I like the new look though, the Boxster has matured, almost to perfection. This can be a good or bad thing but the car looks better than the previous model in my opinion. I like the 991.1 look better than the 991.2 though.
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Feb 25, 2016 9:16:32 AM
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Re: 718 Boxster
Porsche-Jeck:Comments below the vid mentions claim for NoS lap: 7:42 - not too bad
https://www.facebook.com/der.autotester.de/videos/1045111575526957/
Torque wins races
That is on par with a F430 and 997 RS too. For a standard Boxster. Crazy.
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Re: 718 Boxster
bluelines:Porsche-Jeck:Comments below the vid mentions claim for NoS lap: 7:42 - not too bad
https://www.facebook.com/der.autotester.de/videos/1045111575526957/
Torque wins races
That is on par with a F430 and 997 RS too. For a standard Boxster. Crazy.
If I want torque I'll buy a diesel - which is what the 718 sounds like in some of the video clips. 
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Re: 718 Boxster
dreamcar:bluelines:Porsche-Jeck:Comments below the vid mentions claim for NoS lap: 7:42 - not too bad
https://www.facebook.com/der.autotester.de/videos/1045111575526957/
Torque wins races
That is on par with a F430 and 997 RS too. For a standard Boxster. Crazy.
If I want torque I'll buy a diesel - which is what the 718 sounds like in some of the video clips.
It actually sounds better in the clips... 
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Re: 718 Boxster
JimFlat6:For the price qnd that kind of a lap time it's more than impressive. Just turn the stereo up.
Well, one reason I switched my 991 Turbo S for the 991 C4 GTS Cab was the exhaust/engine sound. You cannot imagine how driving fun can be killed by the lack of sound. No stereo will help with that. 
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Re: 718 Boxster
RC:JimFlat6:For the price qnd that kind of a lap time it's more than impressive. Just turn the stereo up.
Well, one reason I switched my 991 Turbo S for the 991 C4 GTS Cab was the exhaust/engine sound. You cannot imagine how driving fun can be killed by the lack of sound. No stereo will help with that.
A sports car has to sound like a sports car irrespective of largely academic lap times. That's half the enjoyment, for me anyway. Porsche have certainly lost me as a repeat sports car customer. 
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Re: 718 Boxster
I have yet to hear the 4 cylinder 981 but I am not surprised by your comments. Like DC, I bought a Boxster GTS because I wanted the flat 6 sound and a naturally aspirated power plant. I don't buy cars based on a ring times, that's more on paper bragging rights than real world as far as I'm concerned.
Re: 718 Boxster
mcdelaug:I have yet to hear the 4 cylinder 981 but I am not surprised by your comments. Like DC, I bought a Boxster GTS because I wanted the flat 6 sound and a naturally aspirated power plant. I don't buy cars based on a ring times, that's more on paper bragging rights than real world as far as I'm concerned.
If people would do that, the GT3/GT3 RS would sell badly and the 991 Turbo and Turbo S would be bestsellers. The new 991 Turbo S outruns the GT3 RS on the track (well, at least for the first or second round... )...on street tires. So why don't more people, who never actually go to the track, choose a GT3 RS instead?
Make no mistake: Even with the C4 GTS Cab in my garage, I would have gone for a GT3 RS but I promised my wife that I would only have one Porsche sportscar at a time (daily driver or weekend toy) because I spent way too much money on cars in the past. 
Makes sense though.
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Re: 718 Boxster
WAY:Man that 718 sounds terrible! I don't mind a 718 base Cayman as a runabout, now that its got decent torque for around town use. But as a weekend sports car? I just can't do it when they are so many nice cars out there.
I guess this is actually the problem seems to face lately: Perfection is a good thing for a daily driver but a weekend toy car kind of has to be a bit "annoying" or imperfect because this is how it creates more emotions. I couldn't imagine a better daily driver than my former 991 Turbo S but for me, it was the weekend toy car. The GT500 is more fun but I sometimes miss the perfection and the much safer drive feel. With the GT500, I get sometimes scared at certain speeds or in certain curves.
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Feb 25, 2016 12:38:00 PM
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Re: 718 Boxster
RC:
I guess this is actually the problem seems to face lately: Perfection is a good thing for a daily driver but a weekend toy car kind of has to be a bit "annoying" or imperfect because this is how it creates more emotions.
Sounds like a 10 years old quote from a Ferrari forum 
Kidding aside, I fully agree with you. When engineering perfection can be measured by 0-200 and laptimes only. but not by smiles per mile for the man behind the steering wheel, it's not the right approach for a sportscar / toy. Maybe the decisionmakers should give more credit to what guys like W. Röhrl say rather than listening to the engineers and beancounters. And we all know what he said about the sound of the flat 4..
Having said that the sheer performance potential of the new Boxster generation is impressive. If I am not mistaken 'Ring laptime has been cut over the last decade by 40 sec. or so, which is a massive performance gain
It's kind of ironic, that now - when finally there is nothing to complain about anymore regarding the performance of the Boxster - the spirit of the car may be lost via introducing the 4cyl turbo engines 
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Feb 25, 2016 1:56:07 PM
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Re: 718 Boxster
Porsche-Jeck:It's kind of ironic, that now - when finally there is nothing to complain about anymore regarding the performance of the Boxster - the spirit of the car may be lost via introducing the 4cyl turbo engines
Indeed, very ironic.
As to the performance and emotions: I love my 991 C4 GTS Cab but with the power of my former Turbo S, this car would have been perfect. Porsche always seems to build a certain category of car for a certain category of customer but they don't seem to realize that there is another certain category of customer, like me and you, who want both: Maximum performance and emotions. Would it have killed them to offer the GTS models with the GT3 engine, maybe detuned to 450 hp? No. Would it have killed them to offer a Carrera (Carrera R or Carrera RS) model with the N/A engine of the GT3 or GT3 RS? No. I do not want a Turbo S because it sounds like crap. I do not want a GT3/GT3 RS because there is no convertible and I need the rear seats and AWD. So why not offer customers what they want? What could go wrong? They sell a Cayenne Diesel, a Panamera Diesel, there is nothing worse in my book. Time to rethink their (model) strategy and offer customers what they truly want, even if it may be only a small(er) percentage.
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Re: 718 Boxster
RC:Porsche-Jeck:It's kind of ironic, that now - when finally there is nothing to complain about anymore regarding the performance of the Boxster - the spirit of the car may be lost via introducing the 4cyl turbo engines
Indeed, very ironic.
As to the performance and emotions: I love my 991 C4 GTS Cab but with the power of my former Turbo S, this car would have been perfect. Porsche always seems to build a certain category of car for a certain category of customer but they don't seem to realize that there is another certain category of customer, like me and you, who want both: Maximum performance and emotions. Would it have killed them to offer the GTS models with the GT3 engine, maybe detuned to 450 hp? No. Would it have killed them to offer a Carrera (Carrera R or Carrera RS) model with the N/A engine of the GT3 or GT3 RS? No. I do not want a Turbo S because it sounds like crap. I do not want a GT3/GT3 RS because there is no convertible and I need the rear seats and AWD. So why not offer customers what they want? What could go wrong? They sell a Cayenne Diesel, a Panamera Diesel, there is nothing worse in my book. Time to rethink their (model) strategy and offer customers what they truly want, even if it may be only a small(er) percentage.
You probably just copied/pasted that from your first ever Rennteam post.
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Re: 718 Boxster
Well, fritz made a good point when he reminded me of the posts I made in the past, especially in the beginning of Rennteam. Maybe I have to move on and find a new car manufacturer I am passionate about. 
Ferrari, McLaren and Lamborghini...which one will be next? I don't know but I clearly realize that I am changing (or is it Porsche? ).
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Re: 718 Boxster
Is the 7:42 Ring time the official Porsche time (full lap)? So, two sec slower than GT4 but with only street tires? Pretty impressive! Any guess how the 718 GT4 will be equipped?
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