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RC:

Mike S:

I didn't realize they were going for that much!! What was the new price in EU?

201682 EUR, incl. 19% VAT.

Mine has got 4500km on, I really dislike the fact that it is PDK 

I feel with you. The PDK on my 997 Carrera GTS Cab was one of the reasons I got rid of the car. Felt almost like an improved Tiptronic, not more, even when shifted manually. The PDK on my 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cab is a completely different story, manual shifting is actually fun with it. I just wish I had the new (very short) pedal shifter way of the 991.2 or GT3 RS but I am working on a retrofit solution (if possible).

Was the 1.Gen PDK that bad or are you reffering only to manual mode? I thought it was a huge success, and the press was fascinated as well. 

RC:

Buying race cars is not without a risk, there is no warranty of any kind. 

Even if the car is fully operational and OK, how do you drive it on the road? Impossible to get a street certification for this car in Germany.

http://ww3.autoscout24.de/classified/284744631?smid=de-vm-searchsubscription-offers&rtmsg=de-vm-searchsubscription&

Eey, stop that. He wrote that it is impossible 

2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM

LP997:

Enzo II:

You should just buy this GT3 Cup with pedigree and some winnings on it shoulders, for just 139.000€

http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=4797425

 

and also revise price the box and engine ... not the same like a road car...

My brother is selling his , if any are interested , fully revised !   And his  991 CUP will also be available to buy in 3 month 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

bluelines:

Eey, stop that. He wrote that it is impossible 

RC:

bluelines:

If this limited edition "lightweight" 991 model does not weigh less than a GT4 (1340kg) then it can be written off as an Exlusive Department parts bin special. R for Rip-off 

Why is it a rip-off?  The 997 Sport Classic was a rip-off and look at the prices now. I also consider the Club Coupes a bit of a rip-off and especially those UK special models.

The R is no rip-off in my opinion, especially if Porsche keeps the low production number of around 600 cars (not sure about that though, demand seems to go through the roof and Porsche would be stupid not to take that into consideration).

Your opinion seems biased because you love the 991R.

My GTS Club Coupe only cost a little over a GT3, and only 60 produced in the world.  That's 10 times rarer that this 911R. (Of course I'm biased too as I have two club coupes )

To me, if 911R costs more than an RS, then it definitely is a rip off as I don't see anything special about it other than its name.

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
 

Targa Tim:

RC:

bluelines:

If this limited edition "lightweight" 991 model does not weigh less than a GT4 (1340kg) then it can be written off as an Exlusive Department parts bin special. R for Rip-off 

Why is it a rip-off?  The 997 Sport Classic was a rip-off and look at the prices now. I also consider the Club Coupes a bit of a rip-off and especially those UK special models.

The R is no rip-off in my opinion, especially if Porsche keeps the low production number of around 600 cars (not sure about that though, demand seems to go through the roof and Porsche would be stupid not to take that into consideration).

Your opinion seems biased because you love the 991R.

My GTS Club Coupe only cost a little over a GT3, and only 60 produced in the world.  That's 10 times rarer that this 911R. (Of course I'm biased too as I have two club coupes )

To me, if 911R costs more than an RS, then it definitely is a rip off as I don't see anything special about it other than its name.

Sorry but for me the GTS club coupe is the just a normal GTS with some porsche exclusive option you can build a GTS club coupe replica easly. The r is more interesting because more rare parts ( carbon etc...) and the spirit of the original 1966 R...the GTS club coupe is just a 991 with more catalog option.

997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

...and the RS is just a GT3 with salmon gills and a too big wing 

While the rest of you fight that out I go for a drive in the one and only unique GT4 

2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM

I agree you can build your own GTS club coupe easily.  But it will not be a real GTS club coupe as we know there are only 60 real ones.

What makes you think a 991R is hard to build?  All the parts are readily available or easy to make.  In fact, it is built mainly by "taking away" some parts from a GT3 or GT3RS.  

If it is not called a "911R", then there really is nothing special about it at all.

The actual 991R car probably cost less than or equal to a GT3 to build.  Any extra money paid are for the word "911R" only.

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
 

Targa Tim:

I agree you can build your own GTS club coupe easily.  But it will not be a real GTS club coupe as we know there are only 60 real ones.

What makes you think a 991R is hard to build?  All the parts are readily available or easy to make.  In fact, it is built mainly by "taking away" some parts from a GT3 or GT3RS.  

If it is not called a "911R", then there really is nothing special about it at all.

The actual 991R car probably cost less than or equal to a GT3 to build.  Any extra money paid are for the word "911R" only.

you see the final car? me not, wait and you see if easy to build one ok?

997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

LP997:

Targa Tim:

I agree you can build your own GTS club coupe easily.  But it will not be a real GTS club coupe as we know there are only 60 real ones.

What makes you think a 991R is hard to build?  All the parts are readily available or easy to make.  In fact, it is built mainly by "taking away" some parts from a GT3 or GT3RS.  

If it is not called a "911R", then there really is nothing special about it at all.

The actual 991R car probably cost less than or equal to a GT3 to build.  Any extra money paid are for the word "911R" only.

you see the final car? me not, wait and you see if easy to build one ok?

Yes Sir, your statement is more than fair

In any case, I do not think it should be worth more than RS money for one

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
 

Targa Tim:

Yes Sir, your statement is more than fair   In any case, I do not think it should be worth more than RS money for one

In any case, really?  I can think of plenty of cases where it would be worth much more than an RS.  Just not sure how realistic those cases are.  Guess we'll know in fewer than 2 weeks

16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant:

Targa Tim:

Yes Sir, your statement is more than fair   In any case, I do not think it should be worth more than RS money for one

In any case, really?  I can think of plenty of cases where it would be worth much more than an RS.  Just not sure how realistic those cases are.  Guess we'll know in fewer than 2 weeks

Yeah, all postulations now, but that's what make this talk interesting.

If it costs more than RS, it is because it is called "911R",  limited production with good chance of appreciation in the future, and because it is 6 speed manual for fun driving.  On a pure performance basis, I do not think it can exceed the capability of an RS.  If they can produce manual in GT3 or RS, then this 911R will not even exist.

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/1160217104045/porsche-911-r-spied-undisguised-ahead-of-geneva

RS 991:

RC:

Mike S:

I didn't realize they were going for that much!! What was the new price in EU?

201682 EUR, incl. 19% VAT.

Mine has got 4500km on, I really dislike the fact that it is PDK 

I feel with you. The PDK on my 997 Carrera GTS Cab was one of the reasons I got rid of the car. Felt almost like an improved Tiptronic, not more, even when shifted manually. The PDK on my 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cab is a completely different story, manual shifting is actually fun with it. I just wish I had the new (very short) pedal shifter way of the 991.2 or GT3 RS but I am working on a retrofit solution (if possible).

Was the 1.Gen PDK that bad or are you reffering only to manual mode? I thought it was a huge success, and the press was fascinated as well. 

It's that bad I'm afraid. It's one of the most dull double clutch gearboxes I've ever driven. 

Whoopsy:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/1160217104045/porsche-911-r-spied-undisguised-ahead-of-geneva

 

so where did all that theory with 'need a spoiler to keep the car on the ground' go? and 'can't fit a proper diffuser because of low mounted rear-engine'? just BS? i need to check with my plumber colleagues (= math jargon for fluid dynamicists:::)))...

Saw some real info (read scan of official sales material) about R yesterday.

Yes, some claims that you wrote seems reasonable.  But, R is IMHO far cry from sportscar a la 991 GT3 or RS. It is more something like mixed bag of different parts wisely put together. I simply hate some things about R and the way Porsche marketing is explaining its merrits. 

More when the car is officially out. It will for sure rise some eyebrows...

KresoF1:

Saw some real info (read scan of official sales material) about R yesterday.

Yes, some claims that you wrote seems reasonable.  But, R is IMHO far cry from sportscar a la 991 GT3 or RS. It is more something like mixed bag of different parts wisely put together. I simply hate some things about R and the way Porsche marketing is explaining its merrits. 

More when the car is officially out. It will for sure rise some eyebrows...

...Like with my favorite, the headline for the introduction of the Cayman R:

"...a model boasting impressive performance and dynamic looks, exuding unadulterated driving pleasure...." ?

bluelines:

Eey, stop that. He wrote that it is impossible 

It was possible, which doesn't mean it is possible. The car in the ad is almost 9 years old. Also it was possible to get rear seats certified on the 997 GT3 but once Porsche actively opposed that, bye bye certification.

Think first, write then.  

Btw: You're doing your court jester job pretty well I must say.  

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

I'm disappointed that the 991.2 updated body panels are not on the R. Would have made it more exclusive with the new rear lights, new front DRL but with a N/A engine and all the other R specific details. Wonder if it will get the Sport switch on the steering wheel...

KresoF1:

Saw some real info (read scan of official sales material) about R yesterday.

Yes, some claims that you wrote seems reasonable.  But, R is IMHO far cry from sportscar a la 991 GT3 or RS. It is more something like mixed bag of different parts wisely put together. I simply hate some things about R and the way Porsche marketing is explaining its merrits. 

More when the car is officially out. It will for sure rise some eyebrows...

What did you expect? Of course they are using parts from the existing parts bin, this is the only way this car is actually profitable but still, a very nice and interesting offer from Porsche and I would get one instantly if I could afford it right now (which I cannot, unfortunately). The only think which will rise some eyebrows will be very likely the price tag  but nobody really expects the R to be a pure track car. It isn't.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

Lukas:

I'm disappointed that the 991.2 updated body panels are not on the R. Would have made it more exclusive with the new rear lights, new front DRL but with a N/A engine and all the other R specific details. Wonder if it will get the Sport switch on the steering wheel...

Just wait and see, there is still some controversial information available about the design of the 911 R and which exterior it will get. I agree, it would be quite dumb to offer the  911.1 look but since the GT3 RS is still in production... 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

RC: 

Btw: You're doing your court jester job pretty well I must say.  

Thank you mayor of clowntown  

2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM

RC:

Btw: You're doing your court jester job pretty well I must say.  

He is the best!

Kobalt:

RC:

Btw: You're doing your court jester job pretty well I must say.  

He is the best!

 

 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

RC:

KresoF1:

Saw some real info (read scan of official sales material) about R yesterday.

Yes, some claims that you wrote seems reasonable.  But, R is IMHO far cry from sportscar a la 991 GT3 or RS. It is more something like mixed bag of different parts wisely put together. I simply hate some things about R and the way Porsche marketing is explaining its merrits. 

More when the car is officially out. It will for sure rise some eyebrows...

What did you expect? Of course they are using parts from the existing parts bin, this is the only way this car is actually profitable but still, a very nice and interesting offer from Porsche and I would get one instantly if I could afford it right now (which I cannot, unfortunately). The only think which will rise some eyebrows will be very likely the price tag  but nobody really expects the R to be a pure track car. It isn't.

Let's put it this way:

Manual die hard 911 fanatic? 

NA engine and manual as true manhood? 

Rare, partially unique 991 (911) and potential speculators dream? 

Pure "feel" or better "feel" then what 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS is providing?  

Faster on the road or track then 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS?   

I hope a hydraulic steering  !

rickman:

I hope a hydraulic steering  !

Joke or real hope?

No way...

I agree with your smiley conclusions Kreso  This fits exactly my expectations for this car.

We can probably thank the success of the GT4 for the existence of the R. If the GT4 with manual had no been so well received then I doubt the R would have happened.

2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM

Targa Tim, 

The club coupé is special, but not that special . Many country have these '' exclusive'' models made . It is done by the Local importers .

Our club coupé , called Swiss limited edition, has been produced only at 14 pieces . Does it make it more exclusive  then the North American Club coupé ?

And I am also joining a photo to the Dutch Club coupé . Also special and unique color as all the other '' special '' models .

Your blue collection is great and special . But lets not get fooled by the '' speciality '' of it . I am still sure it bets better value then the others of course .

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS